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Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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I had a huge argument with my philosophy professor about this. Our class was discussing the distinguishing characteristics between humans and animals. Someone brought up humans commit suicide while animals don't. The professor claimed that was false and brought up lemmings as evidence. I chimed in that lemming suicides were most likely myth and even if it was real, we shouldn't accept the idea of lemming suicides unt…

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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I had a huge argument with my philosophy professor about this. Our class was discussing the distinguishing characteristics between humans and animals. Someone brought up humans commit suicide while animals don't. The professor claimed that was false and brought up lemmings as evidence. I chimed in that lemming suicides were most likely myth and even if it was real, we shouldn't accept the idea of lemming suicides unt…

But lots of animals commit suicide. You don't need to talk about lemmings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autothysis

And your discussion sounds with your professor sounds really stupid - he literally claimed to be the ultimate authority on lemmings? An academic with a chair said that? Sounds so unlikely I'm not sure I believe you.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so lucky for the elephant though I'm afraid to say[1] :( The best way to experience elephants is on safari, where you can get close to truly wild elephants in their natural environment - something that to me at least feels much more rewarding than riding one in captivity. With a well chosen safari the fees you pay will be going to local guides and helping support and protect the animals too. [1] https://www.indep…

Have to admit I'm torn about the whole issue. Animals in the wild are amazing but how may people can go see elephants in the wild. I recently brought my son to a dolphin show, while he has a new appreciation keeping intelligent animals in a tank that would normally roam over 1000s of KMs really bothers me.

With new technology such as VR, live streams, television, photographs there has to be a better way to do this rather than holding them in captivity

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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So do we know whether Disney actually killed lemmings for a film?

There's some people claiming that 'most survived' and others accepting that they were killed.

While I'm not much of an animal rights activist, killing animals relatively ethically in medical research seems like a far cry from tossing lemmings off of cliffs.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#95

I had a huge argument with my philosophy professor about this. Our class was discussing the distinguishing characteristics between humans and animals. Someone brought up humans commit suicide while animals don't. The professor claimed that was false and brought up lemmings as evidence. I chimed in that lemming suicides were most likely myth and even if it was real, we shouldn't accept the idea of lemming suicides unt…

As someone who briefly concentrated in Philosophy, your professor sounds awfully idiotic. Not even for having a wrong perspective whatsoever, but to be teaching a class about reasoning and simultaneously claim the role of god, where all reasoning must lead back to his conclusions.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

#96

I had a huge argument with my philosophy professor about this. Our class was discussing the distinguishing characteristics between humans and animals. Someone brought up humans commit suicide while animals don't. The professor claimed that was false and brought up lemmings as evidence. I chimed in that lemming suicides were most likely myth and even if it was real, we shouldn't accept the idea of lemming suicides unt…

keep fighting the good fight

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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I had a huge argument with my philosophy professor about this. Our class was discussing the distinguishing characteristics between humans and animals. Someone brought up humans commit suicide while animals don't. The professor claimed that was false and brought up lemmings as evidence. I chimed in that lemming suicides were most likely myth and even if it was real, we shouldn't accept the idea of lemming suicides unt…

My takeaway from oppressive teachers is different. I learned that if you cannot win the fight or war against them, then don't start a fight or war. Oppressive teachers remind me that there is a survival element, for students, to the academic life and that the grading scheme is most likely biased with at least some subjectivity.

Oppressive teachers show me a wonderful thing: how complex the real world is as opposed to ideals. I also dislike them with a passion.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so lucky for the elephant though I'm afraid to say[1] :( The best way to experience elephants is on safari, where you can get close to truly wild elephants in their natural environment - something that to me at least feels much more rewarding than riding one in captivity. With a well chosen safari the fees you pay will be going to local guides and helping support and protect the animals too. [1] https://www.indep…

Have to admit I'm torn about the whole issue. Animals in the wild are amazing but how may people can go see elephants in the wild. I recently brought my son to a dolphin show, while he has a new appreciation keeping intelligent animals in a tank that would normally roam over 1000s of KMs really bothers me.

You should watch The Cove (2009).

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Disney is a money-many endeavor that sometimes cuts corners and spreads untruths. I'm not against making money, just against those who would lie and defraud others to make more of it. Businessinsider.com has a page that shows four that Disney apologized about or said were untrue. [1] In the same way, Dan Rather, Brian Williams, and others were believed to be great reporters, even though they created their own sensati…

Re: Brian Williams - many leading memory scientists say that Brain Williams didn't sensationalize his story, but rather created a false memory over time. There's a lot of evidence of this, and 10+ years is a long time in terms of memory and you will start combining multiple people's stories in your own recollection.

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/was-brian-williams...

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