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Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Weird to hear tonsilectomies being spoken of in thw present tense. It stopped being routine in Australia in the 80s.

There are more than 35,000 tonsillectomies done in Australia every year (and more than half a million in the US). This is a highly routine procedure. In fact there is very clear guidelines on when GPS should refer for tonsillectomy: Tonsillectomy is indicated When young children have had >7 episodes in one year or >5 episodes in either of the last 2 years, or quinsys, or obstructive sleep apnoea. Tcj_pcx for some rea…

> Tonsillectomy is indicated when young children have had >7 episodes in one year or >5 episodes in either of the last 2 years, or quinsys, or obstructive sleep apnoea.

Yes. I'm not sure why you're replying to me, as you're essentially agreeing with that I wrote.

As another poster already pointed out, it used to be done on the first or second episode, with the general view that the tonsils were a 'useless' organ (people held/hold similar ideas about the appendix and penile hood). Now it's only done, ad you mention, when the child has had > 7 episodes in one year or > 5 episodes in either of the last 2 years

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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I am very happy about the professionalism and the humanity of Italian doctors and the Italian national healthcare service. Of course there are problems, waiting lists, lack of funding. But damn, it's good and (mostly) free. I feel lucky. Perhaps there are regional differences, but in my city, it's really good.

What do you base your judgment on? I think it heavily depends on what you needed services for thus far. I know people who thought just like you - until they themselves or a relative really needed them. Then they changed their opinion. But even then it depends on what exactly the issue is, I know at least one serious cancer case who got everything they could and then some for free - and they had money and shopped arou…

> What do you base your judgment on?

The experience of various family members at different stage of their life (we had to deal with childbirth, cancers, complex surgeries, broken bones, and simply old age, etc) and my experience in living in different countries. I am happy of my city hospital.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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You've piqued my curiosity. Why would a preschool have an oil vaporizer?

For smell. You can get Glade plugins or on the essential oils side a diffuser. We have used both in our family.

That is beyond retarded...and a school is supposed to instruct kids in the truthful ways of life? Spraying oil does NOT eliminate aromatic odor molecules. All it does is dilute their presence. In addition, all of these essential oils are from plants, which many people are randomly allergic or inflamed by. Essential oils are for a home. Spraying essential oils into public airspace is such a dick move. Sorry about your kid, sucks when people spray biologically active drugs into the air that other people have to breathe.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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What do you base your judgment on? I think it heavily depends on what you needed services for thus far. I know people who thought just like you - until they themselves or a relative really needed them. Then they changed their opinion. But even then it depends on what exactly the issue is, I know at least one serious cancer case who got everything they could and then some for free - and they had money and shopped arou…

> What do you base your judgment on? The experience of various family members at different stage of their life (we had to deal with childbirth, cancers, complex surgeries, broken bones, and simply old age, etc) and my experience in living in different countries. I am happy of my city hospital.

> childbirth, cancers, complex surgeries, broken bones

That's all pretty standard, all of those I'd trust most modern hospitals with. Yes there can be big differences, but at least all of those are part of the standard things modern medicine excels at. Anything ER, surgery, child birth. Cancer treatment is more variable but there's standards, they know what the problem is, they know what to do for diagnosis, and treatment is pretty standardized and most variance is how much they are willing to experiment with the latest (and most expensive) treatments.

Try having anything that is systemic and not easy to see (or invisible to any biomedical imaging). Each time you have a clear diagnosis for which doctors can go to their catalog of appropriate treatments you are lucky. Anything obviously and visibly broken (incl. by using imaging tech) is "the easy stuff".

Your satisfaction also depends on how willing you are to accept whatever the doctors tell you!

If I had accepted the verdict some ten years ago I would never have found that there actually was a relatively easy to identify and treatable cause for my issues. If I had accepted the endocrinologist's recommendation for surgery to remove the nodule in my thyroid, and part of the enlarged thyroid too, I would have had a happy surgery experience, because they are good at hat. But I didn't - and the nodule disappeared and the thyroid shrank back to normal to the great amazement of the endocrinologist. I don't mean to criticize your assessment, I'm happy myself too - but I had to do all the heavy lifting myself, it's just that I know how to use "the system" and how to get what I want from it and not asking for things they are bad at delivering. If you always accept what they tell you psychologically you will be a satisfied customer and life is easy (even if the problems persist, but if you accept them as inevitable your mind learns to ignore them pretty well). If you don't know and never assume that things could be better you'll always give top-rates.

I was extremely satisfied (no exaggeration) and full of unshaken trust in all doctors for almost 40 years, and I had things like jaw surgery to correct an under-bite. I went into this surgery as if it was an appointment for a hair cut, they did not even give me anything to lower anxiety even though they had planned to - my trust was complete, and for things like surgery it still is. Only when I had a problem where there were symptoms but no known cause did I hit a wall and had a very rude awakening.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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For smell. You can get Glade plugins or on the essential oils side a diffuser. We have used both in our family.

That is beyond retarded...and a school is supposed to instruct kids in the truthful ways of life? Spraying oil does NOT eliminate aromatic odor molecules. All it does is dilute their presence. In addition, all of these essential oils are from plants, which many people are randomly allergic or inflamed by. Essential oils are for a home. Spraying essential oils into public airspace is such a dick move. Sorry about your…

> school is supposed to instruct kids in the truthful ways of life?

If only that was true...

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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My son had adenoids removed last year because his hearing was VERY bad because of some kind of mucus blockage. Doctors explained to us that he would hear perfectly without the adenoids, because inner ear measurements were very good. So during the OP they cut away the adenoids, and made a hole into each eardrum, so fluids could exit. After the OP his hearing was so good that he told us not to scream at him when we bar…

Reading your comment made me want to share my own experience--I had the same issues/surgeries as your son when I was a kid. Was very blocked up/nasally all the time and prone to ear infections, had some problems hearing, breathing, etc. Except in my case, when they removed my adenoids they also put the tubes in my ears on the first surgery, and I didn't have any follow-up operations. Not sure why they didn't use the tubes on your son the first time, but in my case I think it helped in the long run.

Initially I experienced the same effect on my hearing--everything was unbelievably loud to me all of the sudden. I asked everyone to quiet down, the TV was always too loud, the phone ringing scared the crap out of me. Eventually, I adjusted and it didn't seem so bad. I'm not sure if my actual hearing got less sensitive or if I just "got used to it", neurologically or otherwise.

However, I can tell you that to this day I still have a pretty bad sensitivity to noise. Don't get me wrong, it's not nearly as bad as it was right after the surgery, but I sometimes feel like I can hear people whispering from across the room. Certain noises (especially high-pitched ones) seem to bother me way more than other people. I have been accused many, many times of having a ridiculously low speaking voice (I think these are somehow related). Like my overly-sensitive hearing made me think I was speaking much louder than I really was--or that everyone else's hearing just sucked. I still haven't figured that one out, I might just be a low-talker for unrelated reasons :).

Anyway, I do think this surgery had significant long-term effects, and oddly enough, some days it seems like my emotional state plays a big role. If I'm feeling really upset about something, all the external noises of the world seem that much louder. I get overwhelmed and even angry and feel the urge to tell everyone to shut up. I think this is exacerbated somewhat by living in a busy city in a poorly sound-proofed apartment.

Even with the side-effects, I do think I'm better off having had the tubes/adenoids removed because I no longer have the constant feeling of being stuffed up, or the painful ear infections along with hearing loss and breathing difficulty. Though I admit some days, I wish I didn't hear so damn much, but I'm trying to just find a more peaceful living space to cope. I do wonder if there were better treatment paths, especially given this study and the other comments I'm seeing in this thread!

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Thank you so much for posting this. Really, THANK YOU, kind stranger. Here in the Czech Republic we're always forced by doctors to do AE/TE to our son despite being mildly affected by strep as we are fighting PANDAS. The latest research converges on that AE/TE is not effective, and that we're doing the right thing by not doing the operation. It looks like doctors even in the most advanced medical institutions are bli…

We went to a really good Ear nose throat doctor in San Diego hospital because our son had a long lasting runny nose, and they also told us to remove his tonsils and adenoids. I did not want to have them removed because of the involvement of sleep drugs necessary for operation, so we tried multiple ways to find the issue of the running nose, turned out it was something to do with the oil vaporizer they used in his pre…

A lot of those ENT problems are related to allergies and irritants. The problem is that very often it's extremely hard to figure out what is causing the reaction and if it's an external element of the environment that can be modified. But the consensus of the medical community that formed in the last decade is that removing adenoids and tonsils should be a last-line of defense for chronic cases that affect your life significantly. That's because the solution is almost never permanent.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For smell. You can get Glade plugins or on the essential oils side a diffuser. We have used both in our family.

That is beyond retarded...and a school is supposed to instruct kids in the truthful ways of life? Spraying oil does NOT eliminate aromatic odor molecules. All it does is dilute their presence. In addition, all of these essential oils are from plants, which many people are randomly allergic or inflamed by. Essential oils are for a home. Spraying essential oils into public airspace is such a dick move. Sorry about your…

The school is looking forward to your job application to be a preschool teacher. You'll have the following benefits:

* $32k annual salary

You'll have the responsibility to take care of the most precious little things that have every walked the earth. Your management are the parents, or as they like to call themselves "the people who pay your salary". These management want you to know they would do nearly everything you attempt to do differently than you do it. They want you to know they would do it differently, but they would never actually do it.

You'll need to show up at 7:15am sharp. You'll be able to leave as soon as the last parent picks up their child, which is sometime around 6:15pm. We are happy to have you on the team.

Edit: in education, there is asymmetry of requirements (similar to the asymmetry of bullshit). The boots-on-the-ground educator has 70-years worth of legal duties to be performed. This educator is working with a wide variety of incoming supplies (i.e. the little humans). Additionally, nearly everyone thinks they are capable of being a teacher, and their own recommendations and their own requirements.

The flippant demand that we should prevent $3.50 Glade plugins in a classroom in the scope of all the other things that matter is asymmetrical bullshit. A kid had a runny nose. Medical advice was to remove tonsils. The parents pushed back and found the real problem.

Maybe the $3.50 Glade plugin covered for another kid who was being bullied because of body odor? Or, maybe it cut down on distractions from nearby human pollution odors? Perhaps, the preschool is the lowest cost preschool around because the parents are cheap and do not want to pay market-rate for childcare. Thus, to be able to break even, the preschool uses a building used has a mold and water problem.

Of all the things that can be improved with education in the US, we decide on an internet forum that a $3.50 Glade plugin is the root of all evil for education because it masks instead of removes odors.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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Thank you so much for posting this. Really, THANK YOU, kind stranger. Here in the Czech Republic we're always forced by doctors to do AE/TE to our son despite being mildly affected by strep as we are fighting PANDAS. The latest research converges on that AE/TE is not effective, and that we're doing the right thing by not doing the operation. It looks like doctors even in the most advanced medical institutions are bli…

We went to a really good Ear nose throat doctor in San Diego hospital because our son had a long lasting runny nose, and they also told us to remove his tonsils and adenoids. I did not want to have them removed because of the involvement of sleep drugs necessary for operation, so we tried multiple ways to find the issue of the running nose, turned out it was something to do with the oil vaporizer they used in his pre…

Heh, you can do it the Russian way and yank them out while you are awake with just a topical, until your kid passes out from the pain :). That’s how my adenoids came out. Do not recommend.

Re: Long-term health risks after having adenoids or tonsils removed in childhood

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You're right to be cautious and fact check everything you're told. I apologise if my response becomes overly ranty. This isn't to scare you, just to encourage you that you're doing the right thing by taking such an active role in your child's care. I have views on this that would seem to most people to be seriously conflicted. I'm militantly pro-science, and I argue constantly in the face of anti-science and pseudo-s…

I believe you find this article interesting: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/upshot/labels-like-altern... "My friends who believe in homeopathy don’t really care. Those who favor conventional medicine, though, can be just as blinded. Too often, when confronted with evidence that advanced technology might not be providing benefits, the medical community refuses to change its behavior." He goes on to argue that the…

"By definition, Alternative Medicine has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call Alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine." --Tim Minchin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk

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