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Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by swebs »

jimhefferon wrote: post #53
jackhack wrote: post #19

For many, this won't even begin to offset the increase in income and property taxes from this notoriously high-tax state. Individual or business, you're likely to pay more. http://money.cnn.com/gallery/smallbusiness/2012/10/15/state-... >>The income tax has a top rate of 8.95%. This ranks as the sixth-highest in the U.S., although it only applies to taxpayers making over $413,350 per year. Meanwhile, total state and…

> notoriously high-tax state Some societies think that it is wise to spend on some things such as education (see https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/06/02/the-... ). Others think that lowering taxes at whatever cost is better. The former fits with my thinking, which is why I like it here.

And yet the neighboring state of New Hampshire, which has some of the lowest taxes in the country (0% sales tax, 0% state income tax), beats Vermont handily in SAT scores.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat-and-act-scores-by-s...

What does Vermont have to show for its higher spending? Why do you see higher spending as an automatically good thing if it doesn't have any evidence of having a beneficial effect?

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by ggg9990 »

nraynaud wrote: post #28
ggg9990 wrote: post #15

Northern New England will have to get its heroin problem under control before it will be appealing to the “remote programmer moving to rural area for peace and quiet and lower cost of living.”

I don't think drug problems have really hindered the gentrification of SF or NYC. And we are talking way bigger quantities and associated violence than jobless rednecks in rural Vermont.

Per capita, it’s much worse in the northeast than in SF or NYC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mor...

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by ErikAugust »

eezurr wrote: post #50

I've lived in Burlington, VT for the last two years, having moved from a large city. The brain drain is real. I am leaving the state soon because I simply cannot relate to people and culture up here. (Note, this is for people who are 35 year olds up here with families who I never met). There's an inverse bell curve of age distribution. I've discovered slightly above average intelligent people up here think they are m…

I moved 5-6 years ago and admit it's easy for your ambition to be outsized there. I moved to Boston and realized I wasn't all that ambitious after all. I wanted to move back to VT for the outdoors - however, I moved to the Mountain West and realized it has much more outdoors and much more of a tech economy, so I never moved back.

Bonus: While we have all the winter mountain sports here at their highest levels, there's also 300 days of sunshine and much higher average winter temperatures where I now live! Good luck breaking single digit temps (F) in the worst winter months in Northern VT.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by ErikAugust »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #69

People seem to be taking for granted that this is a good thing. In the short term of course attracting highly paid people is a good thing. In the longer term it's only a benefit if you're the kind of person who looks at Boston and thinks it's a good, highly functional society. Most of northern new England looks at Boston/MA and sees high cost of living, government that micromanages individuals and lots of crime. Havi…

Vermont won't be like Boston because of a dozen remote workers. The University does much more to "Jersey" or "Masshole" Vermont, and that doesn't even do much.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by fringedgentian »

amichal wrote: post #77

I can't resist. We are here with tech jobs waiting. http://www.greenriver.com/jobs Edit: On the article: COL is similar to Boston in Brattleboro (for the nice lifestyle that we expect as devs) but in different areas. You need a car for any real transportation and while rents and house prices are less other things are more (internet, heat, etc). There are 3-4 cafes not hundreds. There is a surprising amount of art and…

The grant is only for people who work for a company based outside of Vermont.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by amichal »

PaulHoule wrote: post #33

Lots of hills and low population density. I bet it is hard to get good internet in Vermont. Universal access to broadband would matter more than anything else.

It can be but its much better then it was 5 years ago even in smaller towns. My office is on fiber. My house has 50 mbit cable that is quite reliable and never over subscribed. Friends that live several miles out dirt roads have either satellite, dsl, or, increasingly often, LTE or Wifi-based service. LTE/Wifi/Cable and fiber all have plenty > 25Mbit options (up to 1GB most of the time) and even DSL and satellite do fine for NetFlix etc.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by swebs »

ggg9990 wrote: post #15

Northern New England will have to get its heroin problem under control before it will be appealing to the “remote programmer moving to rural area for peace and quiet and lower cost of living.”

The tech scene seems to be booming in Manchester, NH, so that can't be the only factor.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by pascalxus »

Liquix wrote: post #35
jackhack wrote: post #19

For many, this won't even begin to offset the increase in income and property taxes from this notoriously high-tax state. Individual or business, you're likely to pay more. http://money.cnn.com/gallery/smallbusiness/2012/10/15/state-... >>The income tax has a top rate of 8.95%. This ranks as the sixth-highest in the U.S., although it only applies to taxpayers making over $413,350 per year. Meanwhile, total state and…

On top of the taxes, housing is pretty bad too. You can be a reclusive hermit in southern / central VT on the cheap, but the closer you get to Burlington / Essex Jct the more expensive it gets. This is in part caused by the size of the University of Vermont - high demand for housing, small area. Many buildings have too many units crammed into them for the same reason. Not nearly as bad as the valley, but another reas…

thanks for pointing that out. terrible housing makes it a complete non-starter.

Re: Vermont will cover $10K of expenses for people who move there and work remotely

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Post by amichal »

fringedgentian wrote: post #96
amichal wrote: post #77

I can't resist. We are here with tech jobs waiting. http://www.greenriver.com/jobs Edit: On the article: COL is similar to Boston in Brattleboro (for the nice lifestyle that we expect as devs) but in different areas. You need a car for any real transportation and while rents and house prices are less other things are more (internet, heat, etc). There are 3-4 cafes not hundreds. There is a surprising amount of art and…

The grant is only for people who work for a company based outside of Vermont.

Sigh... That is just absurd. Our company is domiciled here but nearly all our income comes from outside the state so we provide the same economic benefit. Even if the state wouldn't pay moving expenses I'm sure we would for the right candidates.
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