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Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by MR4D »

f2n wrote: post #88
MR4D wrote: post #83

This is stupid. What happens next - do patents and copyrights have owner’s right to be forgotten? If so, then who do you sue for stealing your copyright? The intent is good - let me be clear about that. But the implementation is having second order affects that are going to f * with things in a big way because it wasn’t thought through as thoroughly as it should have been. * * Key thought here is that it might be ext…

I don't understand how any of those are remotely related to whois being removed. It's not like it represented anyone that could feasibly be sued before, just a whoisguard service, usually

In the US, we have different sites where you can look up patent information.

In fact, IBM and Microsoft run this one, which is a global database. Article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-ibm-arm-back-open-pa... Site: http://oropo.net/

So my question, is if Whois had to take their site offline due to GDPR, then will things like this go offline?

My concern is that GDPR will have a chilling effect not just on free speech, but on open information of many kinds.

PS - for reference, here is a good overview of the issues that an open patent database helps solve: http://oropo.net/oropo_report_20150615.pdf

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by _mdlf »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #86
tcd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's not how the law works, sorry about that. Every human has rights that cannot simply be waived because a website says so. Everyone has a right to privacy, and that's what the GDPR is about ensuring for EU subjects. Your thinking is extinct and I strongly suggest changing it, or fading away like everyone else who feels the same way.

> Everyone has a right to privacy This is far from an absolute. Each country more or less dictates the rights of their people, and many countries do not directly provide this right. As an example, the Indian supreme court only declared it a right last year, and most articles talking about it only list a very select few other countries as ones that provide this right.

Indian government mandates original information to be filled in RABT else the domain registrar can cancel your account.

And since GST, if you register a domain you are supposedly a business owner and need to provide a GST number mandatorily. Check these out with Net4.

Indian govt sucks big time when it comes to privacy.

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by __david__ »

Semaphor wrote: post #23
becauseiam wrote: post #10

The WHOIS blackout has already started, I recently registered a domain with a non-European ccTLD, but with Gandi for the registrar. The WHOIS reads: Administrative Contact: Not displayed due to GDPR

My .me domain displays (and always has displayed IIRC) nothing but my full name (not that interesting as the domain is my name). Everything else are the contact details from Gandi.

Must be a Gandi thing. My .io domain from Gandi only shows my name but a .me domain from another registrar still shows home address, phone number, etc.…

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by koolba »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #90
woolvalley wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you lose a 250-500k capital gains exemption if you sell the house and it's not owned & lived in by you directly AFAIK The issue with this system is it also lets people look up where you live by name alone, which can be bad if you want to own your house and have a stalker problem. The map works 2 ways.

Not true with a revocable trust, which costs under $1000 to establish and provides all the same benefits of owning the real estate directly without disclosing ownership. Disclaimer: Applies primarily to IL and FL, not an attorney, nor your attorney.

If you do that in CA can you “sell” control of the trust to circumvent reassessment of the real estate taxes after a sale?

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by JeanMarcS »

slrz wrote: post #79
clay_the_ripper wrote: post #69

I really wish WHOIS would go away forever. There is absolutely no point to it. If you don’t pay to get your name private, you get SPAMMED to such an incredible degree, it’s absolutely awful. Literally 10+ calls a day, emails voicemails. So you have to buy the “privacy protection” thing, which defeats the whole purpose anyway. All WHOIS does is create an industry of people selling privacy to WHOIS. This whole narrativ…

Choose a registrar that doesn't charge you extra? Your name stays in, of course, but your (electronic and snail) mail addresses and phone number can be replaced by registrar-managed ones where they forward you incoming stuff and (mostly) keep the spam. It's a pretty common thing with European providers, I think.

Another example is OVH with its owo option which obfuscate Whois datas for years.

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by toomuchtodo »

koolba wrote: post #94
toomuchtodo wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true with a revocable trust, which costs under $1000 to establish and provides all the same benefits of owning the real estate directly without disclosing ownership. Disclaimer: Applies primarily to IL and FL, not an attorney, nor your attorney.

If you do that in CA can you “sell” control of the trust to circumvent reassessment of the real estate taxes after a sale?

My apologies, I’m only familiar with Illinois and Florida real estate law. A CA attorney should be able to answer that with a short, no cost phone consultation (if a trust can’t support such an arrangement, an LLC might).

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by ktosobcy »

greglindahl wrote: post #68
ktosobcy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would YOU have to do it? For me it's enough that officials have access to this information (and common folks when requested, but with valid motivation). And as a result I don't have problems with my identity being out in the open (and I don't get a single spamy mail)

The reason this is done in public is because plenty of fraud happens when only officials can get access to property ownership and tax info -- even in countries that are relatively less corrupt. Also, the bit about mortgages means that mortgages rates are lower when appraisals are more accurate; the largest inputs to home value appraisals in the US are sales data and tax data.

But the thing is - not only officials can get that data. Its simply not that easily available (so you can't harvest it like mails on the Web)

As for house market - in other counties (where dará is more hidden) it still works. and as far as I know housing market in the US is quite... weird, so it seems this data doesn't help that much?

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by daurnimator »

x0x wrote: post #78
clay_the_ripper wrote: post #69

I really wish WHOIS would go away forever. There is absolutely no point to it. If you don’t pay to get your name private, you get SPAMMED to such an incredible degree, it’s absolutely awful. Literally 10+ calls a day, emails voicemails. So you have to buy the “privacy protection” thing, which defeats the whole purpose anyway. All WHOIS does is create an industry of people selling privacy to WHOIS. This whole narrativ…

I agree WHOIS is completely useless! Anyone can fake this info anyway and anyone using there real info can be SWATTED ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting )

Only if you use your home address. Most people use a PO Box or other forwarding. (or in the case of a business: physical office presence, which is usually published on the website itself)

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by tscs37 »

jedberg wrote: post #85
tyrust wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think it is a good thing that every domain has valid contact info. Does your "valid" include domain registrars that provide WHOIS protection that includes forwarding messages to the protected owner? And, honest question, why do you think that domains should have contact info?

When I used to work in security, I used Whois every day. In many cases it was to notify a domain owner that their domain had been compromised and was being used for spam. I also used it a lot to track down bad actors because most of them are dumb and don’t hide their Whois.

In germany there is an imprint requirement so you'll always have a contact point for these things.

Unlike WHOIS it's on a website so you can protect this information much more easily from scraping and spamming.

Re: WHOIS blackout period likely starting in May

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Post by greglindahl »

ktosobcy wrote: post #97
greglindahl wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason this is done in public is because plenty of fraud happens when only officials can get access to property ownership and tax info -- even in countries that are relatively less corrupt. Also, the bit about mortgages means that mortgages rates are lower when appraisals are more accurate; the largest inputs to home value appraisals in the US are sales data and tax data.

But the thing is - not only officials can get that data. Its simply not that easily available (so you can't harvest it like mails on the Web) As for house market - in other counties (where dará is more hidden) it still works. and as far as I know housing market in the US is quite... weird, so it seems this data doesn't help that much?

A housing market that's full of fraud and that has extra-high interest rates still "works". I don't think you're understanding my point at all, or maybe you don't mind fraud.

But in any case, those are the problems that transparency are trying to help solve.

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