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Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by lap2 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #66
m90 wrote: post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

What hypocrites! Welcoming war refugees but not an extension of one of the world's largest corporations.

They aren't hyprocrites at all. Of course is not the CITY that is against Google, it's a group of people, as always. It's much a safer bet that this crew is against refugees even more (which BTW I agree 100%).

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by zamalek »

amoshi wrote: post #88
zamalek wrote: post #70

There is some blatantly false information on this page. > Google was caught red-handed participating in NSA’s illegall surveillance of almost everyone PRISM was infiltration. The wiki also calls out Apple in this event, who are known to proactively limit surveillance. Many of the arguments also suffer from severely flawed logic, especially where the actions of others are held against Google. There is some truth here,…

>PRISM was infiltration. According to the leaked documents, the companies were "partners". Of course the companies denied it, what else did you expect? >Government officials and the document itself made clear that the NSA regarded the identities of its private partners as PRISM’s most sensitive secret, fearing that the companies would withdraw from the program if exposed. “98 percent of PRISM production is based on Y…

> the companies were "partners"

Except for the slide where the Google inflitration is documented?[1]

> we need to make sure we don’t harm these sources

A "source" in intelligence does not not necessarily imply complicitness, an "asset" does.

[1]: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Edu6LPu...

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by forapurpose »

m90 wrote: post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

I don't know much about this movement, but Google employees are not at all comparable to refugees; that's not a valid comparison.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by wink »

m90 wrote: post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

I don't really think you can compare "multi-national megacorp" with refugees.

It's not like they said "People who are working at Google or have worked at Google are not welcome" - for me this is a clear message to Google, the company.

I don't have a real opinion on the matter per se, so please don't take this as taking a position.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by glup »

m90 wrote: post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

>>People will need to realize that they will need to be welcoming to either everyone or noone, everything else is just bigotry

If an individual or company violates prevailing prosocial norms within a community (not paying taxes in either case), the community reserves the right to remove them. If a company or individual threatens the long-term well being of the community (e.g. the business ecosystem) the community has the right to reject them. In the limit this is obvious (and provides a fairly robust counter-example to "Let's be welcoming to everyone"): a company can reject criminal or criminal organizations. Google's tax avoidance behavior has been pretty clearly antisocial (e.g. the double Irish Dutch sandwich arrangement), and arguably criminal.

There are limits on Uber in Germany and limits on AirBnB in Berlin (IIRC it is not Germany-wide) for exactly this reason. It seems that Berliners are similarly worried about negative externalities entailed by Google establishing a campus there. If Google is willing to conform to community standards it may well have a place there. But that would probably require paying some back-owed taxes :)

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by Concerned648 »

glup wrote: post #95
m90 wrote: post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

>>People will need to realize that they will need to be welcoming to either everyone or noone, everything else is just bigotry If an individual or company violates prevailing prosocial norms within a community (not paying taxes in either case), the community reserves the right to remove them. If a company or individual threatens the long-term well being of the community (e.g. the business ecosystem) the community has…

Ah, appealing to the "gesundes Volksempfinden" to get rid of unwanted people?

> It seems that Berliners

No, it's just some racist people operating a web site. They even suggest shooting Google ("bullets for Google", https://fuckoffgoogle.de/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/Ku...).

I'll wait a bit to see if they will make the connection to the Jewish world conspiracy (often refered to as "wall street", "financial elite" in such circles).

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by m90 »

Concerned648 wrote: post #96
glup wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>People will need to realize that they will need to be welcoming to either everyone or noone, everything else is just bigotry If an individual or company violates prevailing prosocial norms within a community (not paying taxes in either case), the community reserves the right to remove them. If a company or individual threatens the long-term well being of the community (e.g. the business ecosystem) the community has…

Ah, appealing to the "gesundes Volksempfinden" to get rid of unwanted people? > It seems that Berliners No, it's just some racist people operating a web site. They even suggest shooting Google ("bullets for Google", https://fuckoffgoogle.de/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/Ku... ). I'll wait a bit to see if they will make the connection to the Jewish world conspiracy (often refered to as "wall street", "financial eli…

> I'll wait a bit to see if they will make the connection to the Jewish world conspiracy (often refered to as "wall street", "financial elite" in such circles).

This is very important. It's so deeply rooted in all of this it has me full of disgust. But apparently it's ok as long as you're german and you're not making rap music.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by pgeorgi »

m90 wrote: post #68
weirdstuff wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what they're saying. They don't want Google specifically, for reasons they detail in-depth on their website. Being welcoming to everyone doesn't really work, or otherwise we wouldn't have prisons. Being open-minded is a two way street, remember.

I don't know if you live in the area (I only work there), but this is a recurring pattern that has happened quite a few times over the last years, not only to Google. Everything that is a. wealthy and b. from abroad will receive instant hatred. I talked to a few of these people and unfortunately it's only a very short way to conspiracy theories and open antisemitism surfacing. If you show up being German and wealthy,…

> If you show up being German and wealthy, treatment will be way different unfortunately.

Try being wealthy while Swabian in Berlin.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by pgeorgi »

reacharavindh wrote: post #79

Poorly represented information (lack of links to proper sources, and use of profane language), but there is content worth discussing about. Would Google's entry to Berlin trigger a rise of inequality for the city's inhabitants and make life difficult for everyone that is not working for Google? (for example private Google buses for their employees in San Francisco) Also a company that is morally a bad one in the publ…

Not sure Berlin and the Bay Area are comparable.

Berlin has working public transit (for some definition of working, much better than Caltrain and BART though).

San Francisco has 700k inhabitants, Berlin has 3.5m inhabitants (half as many as the entire Bay Area, but much more cohesive).

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Post by _bxg1 »

lap2 wrote: post #91
_bxg1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What hypocrites! Welcoming war refugees but not an extension of one of the world's largest corporations.

They aren't hyprocrites at all. Of course is not the CITY that is against Google, it's a group of people, as always. It's much a safer bet that this crew is against refugees even more (which BTW I agree 100%).

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