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IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Something feels wrong about the assessment of the second block of text being written by a human. I feel some conflict in my head that someone would talk about Bob Dylan as "overstepping" a claim about his prominence and then conceding that he does belong in a "Top 10 Bob Dylan Protest Songs list." Of course he belongs in a Bob Dylan list he is Bob Dylan. Does that sound human?

I think the text is pulled from a "Top 10 Bob Dylan Protest Songs Lost" article.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Not sure what you mean by that. Is there some industry standard around the term "Artificial Intelligence"? I agree that its become a bit of a buzzword, but I'm not sure that its being misused.

When I hear AI I usually imagine deep learning, but many companies using the term don't specify.

But that's more "machine learning" which always seemed less "sexy" than AI -- basically just regression but better, not magical like AI.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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So...one person died? Do you know how many people die in normal, non-self-driving cars? It's never possible to get 100% accuracy.

One person died from that accident. There are now at least 4 deaths where Tesla's autopilot was involved (most of the deaths in China don't get much publicity, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more). And the statistics do not back up your claim that Tesla is safer (despite their attempts to spin it that way).

This seems to contradict your assertion: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-autopilot-cuts-crash-ra...

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Hardware. That’s the keyword, and it might very well be true. Tesla doesn’t claim their software is capable of full self-driving yet and in fact the system will scream at you and stop the car if you take your hands off the steering wheel for too long.

It's deliberately deceptive, and I'm real tired of tech people tripping over each other to defend it. Technically correct? Sure. But deliberately phrased to obscure the fact that this is a hypothetical future capability that the product does not possess today. And please spare me your "well actually, the showroom attendants will clarify exactly what it means" -- they are framing this in a misleading way to generate p…

so how do anyone actually know what the hardware is capable of if the software is not ready? I mean there is no way to verify that hardware is ready for anything on its own.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Amazon's system for finding related products is eerily accurate. The more you buy, the better it gets at anticipating what you want to buy. ... but the larger wins they've had are behind the scenes, in the predictive modeling that helps them get product into warehouses in front of demand spikes (and into geographically-relevant warehouses to satisfy the spikes).

> Amazon's system for finding related products is eerily accurate. Amazon's system for finding related products fucking sucks. After I buy an X, I see ads for more X for months, which is completely useless. Sometimes I'll see ads for the exact thing I bought... what?!

If you think their system sucks you may like this twitter discussion: https://twitter.com/GirlFromBlupo/status/982156453396996096 :)))

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Am I extreme in feeling someone should go to jail for that? It was bad enough when they were originally advertising it, but now that they're defending it even after people died...ugh. https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17172178/tesla-model-x-cr...

So...one person died? Do you know how many people die in normal, non-self-driving cars? It's never possible to get 100% accuracy.

I hand you a gun and say "you can point this gun at anyone, pull the trigger, and it wont harm them." You point the gun at a crowd, pull the trigger, it goes off and kills someone.

Who do you blame?

No one is saying guns, or cars, aren't dangerous. However this kind of false advertising leads people to use cars in dangerous ways while believing they are safe because they've been lied to.

(Side note, there is some fine print you never read that says the safe-gun technology only works when you point the gun at a single person and doesn't work on crowds.)

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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It's deliberately deceptive, and I'm real tired of tech people tripping over each other to defend it. Technically correct? Sure. But deliberately phrased to obscure the fact that this is a hypothetical future capability that the product does not possess today. And please spare me your "well actually, the showroom attendants will clarify exactly what it means" -- they are framing this in a misleading way to generate p…

Who is being deceived? Non-Tesla owners? Or are you suggesting that there are Tesla owners who are (a) sitting in their driveway wondering why their car isn't driving them to work or (b) returning their cars upon finding out many of the features on the Autopilot page require regulatory approval?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tesla-autopilot-...

Tesla driver caught turning on autopilot and leaving driver’s seat on motorway Culprit admits he knew what he had done was ‘silly’ but that the car was capable of something ‘amazing’

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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The author's particular gripe is that the Watson advertisements showing someone sitting down and talking to "Watson." They bother me as well (and did so when I was working at IBM in the Watson group) because they portray a capability that nothing in IBM can provide. Nobody can provide it (again to the author's point) because dialog systems (those which interact with a user through conversational speech) don't exist o…

This is Marketing 101 though. It's easier to sell someone a dream or some emotional state than it is to sell an actual product/thing that you have. I'd give people a little more credit. Adults know what advertisements are and that they're all phony.

I don't disagree, although I'd be a bit more nuanced than that. It is like herbal supplements, you can say how great they make you feel but you have to avoid making medical claims that you can't back up.

I don't think anyone would have flinched at setting the stage like "At IBM we're working on technology so that some day your interaction with a computer can be as simple as sitting down and having a conversation."

Setting expectations you cannot meet is something you try to avoid in Marketing. Because you get angry op eds like the one that kicked off this conversation.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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Hardware. That’s the keyword, and it might very well be true. Tesla doesn’t claim their software is capable of full self-driving yet and in fact the system will scream at you and stop the car if you take your hands off the steering wheel for too long.

What about "safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver" being the keyword? Isn't Tesla's autopilot doing better than humans do in the same number of miles? We just all hear about it every time a Tesla is in a crash. If we heard about every human driver car accident, it would be overwhelming. edit: from this article: https://electrek.co/2018/03/30/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash-d... In the US, there i…

The numbers are wrong since it compares expensive new cars versus everything else(old cars with no safety features, bikes, buses) if you compare with similar cars you get numbers that are not in Tesla favor. So try not to spread this false numbers, also the Tesla numbers are not open to be examined by third parties.

Re: IBM is not doing "cognitive computing" with Watson (2016)

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So...one person died? Do you know how many people die in normal, non-self-driving cars? It's never possible to get 100% accuracy.

I hand you a gun and say "you can point this gun at anyone, pull the trigger, and it wont harm them." You point the gun at a crowd, pull the trigger, it goes off and kills someone. Who do you blame? No one is saying guns, or cars, aren't dangerous. However this kind of false advertising leads people to use cars in dangerous ways while believing they are safe because they've been lied to. (Side note, there is some fin…

Safer than human hardware does not imply safe.

It means this will kill people but fewer people than humans would and they have actual data that backs this assertion up.

The benchmark is not an alert, cautious, and sober driver because that's often not how actual people drive. So right now it's often safer to drive other times it really is safer to use autopilot, net result fewer people die.

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