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Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by downandout »

x0x0 wrote: post #81
downandout wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, under your (incorrect) interpretation of the GDPR, what exactly do you envision? That each page you load have 40 different consent dialogs show up - one for each tracker and external image that is on the page? Some have hundreds.

Yes, this is (finally) correct. For each external tracker, you will have to consent that use. By name. Per discussions you can find via google, even naming a well-defined class of 3rd party controllers is not enough; they have to be individually named. This is the impact on adtech. See eg https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/ . Or digiday, which is not exactly anti-adtech. https://digiday.com/media/gd…

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I expect that EU users won't be spending all their time on the web issuing 50 approvals for each page they load. You may so despise ad-supported services that this is your dream for the world, but unfortunately for your dream (and fortunately for all users that actually want to be able to use the Web), even the heavy-handed GDPR does not mandate this.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by wbl »

Silhouette wrote: post #23
d6de964 wrote: post #21

Google already does this anytime I clear my cookies. Why would they allow someone using the service if they didn't get something back?

Why would they allow someone using the service if they didn't get something back? That's a good question, but once GDPR is in effect, the law is going to require that all consent is genuine, informed, active consent. A consequence of that is that someone must be able to withhold their consent without suffering for it, unless the thing they're consenting to is essential to whatever else they're doing. If you're thinki…

Ad revenue is essential to Facebook running. My guess is that FB will continue to work even without this other data just given what they know on the site.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by lolc »

garmaine wrote: post #87
lolc wrote: post #83

I think a lot of lawyers are poring over provision 42 of GDPR these days: "(42) Where processing is based on the data subject's consent, the controller should be able to demonstrate that the data subject has given consent to the processing operation. [...] For consent to be informed, the data subject should be aware at least of the identity of the controller and the purposes of the processing for which the personal d…

You can delete your account, yes.

I can't delete my account with Google without detriment.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by Silhouette »

wbl wrote: post #92
Silhouette wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they allow someone using the service if they didn't get something back? That's a good question, but once GDPR is in effect, the law is going to require that all consent is genuine, informed, active consent. A consequence of that is that someone must be able to withhold their consent without suffering for it, unless the thing they're consenting to is essential to whatever else they're doing. If you're thinki…

Ad revenue is essential to Facebook running. My guess is that FB will continue to work even without this other data just given what they know on the site.

Ad revenue is essential to Facebook running.

Ad revenue may be essential to Facebook being commercially viable, but it's not required at all to provide the social networking features that users actually want.

My guess is that FB will continue to work even without this other data just given what they know on the site.

But if they have data acquired with users' consent for social networking purposes, they won't be allowed to process that data for purposes such as targeting ads without consent.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by jacquesm »

bhhaskin wrote: post #77
craftyguy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article isn't "Independent to ask everyone to accept being tracked".

No, but how can you trust a source if they are doing the exact same thing? They are a bit hypocritical.

You are confusing the writer of the article with the newspaper management. The writer can very well have a valid point while the newspaper management sees things differently. In fact, the writer may very well make this point because the newspaper management sees differently and yet, the article is published.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by edoloughlin »

maximente wrote: post #37
downandout wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can already see it on many sites. They're basically just a more forceful version of cookie notifications with language about third party tracking thrown in that force you to say "OK" or tell you to leave. Here's an example: http://prntscr.com/j67usw FB, as with all third party trackers, isn't the one actually responsible for notifying you about the use of their pixels etc. on third party sites. The site operator…

this is fundamentally insufficient, though. if there's a hosted image from a facebook domain (e.g. a like button), unless that image is loaded after consent is given, facebook can already associate that users' IP address with having visited that web site by nature of sending the image over. in other words, facebook is tracking pre-consent (unless those images are loaded post-hoc, which is just not happening in today'…

if there's a hosted image from a facebook domain (e.g. a like button), unless that image is loaded after consent is given, facebook can already associate that users' IP address with having visited that web site by nature of sending the image over. in other words, facebook is tracking pre-consent

This just leads to a bunch of questions: where an image is loaded from FB by a site, who is the data controller? Surely it's the primary site, not FB? In that case, then is FB a data processor (and subject to more restrictions)? If FB is a controller in its own right then how does FB gather consent in this case?

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by eitally »

lolc wrote: post #93
garmaine wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can delete your account, yes.

I can't delete my account with Google without detriment.

Your employer will agree to their terms on your behalf, and if you are not comfortable with either that process or the terms, you are welcome to terminate your employment. This is no different from companies accepting ToS/EULA from any other technology vendor.

FWIW, Google's commercial terms are not the same as consumer terms ... again, like every other software vendor.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

x0x0 wrote: post #81
downandout wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, under your (incorrect) interpretation of the GDPR, what exactly do you envision? That each page you load have 40 different consent dialogs show up - one for each tracker and external image that is on the page? Some have hundreds.

Yes, this is (finally) correct. For each external tracker, you will have to consent that use. By name. Per discussions you can find via google, even naming a well-defined class of 3rd party controllers is not enough; they have to be individually named. This is the impact on adtech. See eg https://pagefair.com/blog/2018/granular-gdpr-consent/ . Or digiday, which is not exactly anti-adtech. https://digiday.com/media/gd…

It still doesn't need to be 40 dialogs. It can be one dialog that provides information about all 40 third parties.

Re: Facebook to ask everyone to accept being tracked so they can keep using it

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Post by millak »

MandieD wrote: post #82
julioneander wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend Privacy Badger, sponsored by the EFF, which is supposed to block trackers. I prefer it over Ghostery, which is backed by some company. uBlock Origin is great for blocking Ads though. If you really need to block scripts, there's NoScript. I recommend using at least the adblocker and the tracker blocker, even if only to reduce memory usage of the browser and take back a couple of CPU cycles from your comput…

uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger are my combo of choice. They play nicely together, and are easy enough to deal with that my non-web-savvy father-in-law surfs comfortably with them. Privacy Badger's most glaring weakness is that it takes a new install of the plugin awhile to learn that Facebook, fbcdn, etc are up to no good, but once it catches on, it’s great.

I've always wondered how well Privacy Badger works if you also have third-party cookies disabled - is there any benefit in that case?
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