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Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

briandear wrote: post #49
IAmEveryone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How will this effect google or facebook at all? Google and Facebook show titles and quotes of linked articles. This legislation is specifically aimed at them. Noncommercial actors (bloggers etc) are supposed to be exempt. > How do you NOT see this as bad? It is extremely frustrating how people on HN apparently have no ability to acknowledge a valid argument for a position they oppose. Read the last two paragraphs o…

> The latter is fundamental for a functioning democracy. But if distributors have to pay to link to such content, then such content will not contribute to a functioning democracy because nobody will be able to discover this content. And, it's funny you mention "functioning democracy" -- tell me how Brussels is part of a functioning democracy? The European Commission President and commissioners aren't elected are they…

>> So a Commission that isn't elected gets to force it's will on otherwise democratic countries?

The Commission is staffed by elected politicians, one for every country of the EU. The Commission's President is elected by members of the European Parliament, themselves elected directly by the people of the EU member states in the European Elections, held every 4 years.

The Commission is a legislative body; it makes legislation, but legislation must be passed into law by voting in the European Parliament by MEPs.

A lot has been made into the eurosceptic press about the "non-democratic" nature of the EU. These news items overlook the difference between an elected politician and an official appointed by elected politicians. For example, US Supreme Court Justices are nominated by the US President and confirmed by the Senate and they are the final arbiters of fedral law, not to mention their appointment is lifelong.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by pre »

fh973 wrote: post #78
vatueil wrote: post #22

There was a previous discussion based on a similar article from Creative Commons a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16810999 c3o (Christopher Clay), who works in the EU Parliament according to his profile, posted several informative comments including one explaining the backstory behind the proposed legislation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16812099 > The back story of the law may shed so…

I keep hearing Google News, but I can't see how and why people would use it frequently. Is anybody here using it? What for?

Usually if there's some news story that people are talking about and I dunno what the story is about I'll do a Google News search on it to find out.

Often can't do a normal google search coz then it mostly shows reference and history rather than latest news story.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by Ygg2 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #70
destructaball wrote: post #27

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On something of a tangent I suspect that large parts of the GDPR will be comparably moot. Many companies including Twillo and Delta have rolled out their tracking controls behind feature flags. If you decide that you'd rather not be tracked they make you stare at a spinner for ~100 seconds while your privacy settings are "being applied". Keeping privacy as inconvenient as possible is big business.

> Keeping privacy as inconvenient as possible is big business. To some extent, this risks running afoul of GDPR and getting hit with a big fine. But no doubt companies will try to find the sweet spot of being as annoying as possible while still being technically compliant.

Let HHGTG be your guide.

"The information was on display on Alpha Centauri for at least 20 years".

I.e. if they make a GDPR request put them on the waiting line with rest of customers. Press 1 for account related matter, Press 2 for account information, please enter your account number. Please enter your account number to confirm. Press 3 for privacy related information. Press 4 for information regarding GDPR. Please enter account information. Please verify account number. Redirecting to customer support. Please press 9 to continue. Please press 2 for verifying you are EU citizen. Enter verification data.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by icebraining »

stickfigure wrote: post #56
toyg wrote: post #36

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This was mentioned in the other thread as well - and it's a scenario that publishers would love, as it puts them back in control of "news portals".

Except that it won't. All the news portals/aggregators will simply move out of the EU. And then the EU can try to escalate by blocking non-EU news sites. Boy is that going to be an interesting day.

Yeah, but Google will be out. And the other aggregators don't have its reach (e.g. Top Stories boxes in Google Search).

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by icebraining »

mattsfrey wrote: post #52
IAmEveryone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How will this effect google or facebook at all? Google and Facebook show titles and quotes of linked articles. This legislation is specifically aimed at them. Noncommercial actors (bloggers etc) are supposed to be exempt. > How do you NOT see this as bad? It is extremely frustrating how people on HN apparently have no ability to acknowledge a valid argument for a position they oppose. Read the last two paragraphs o…

Facebook _users_ do. I highly doubt they are going to try and enforce this on google search results, that would be absurd, and if so it will just hurt the publishers for not getting hits. Where is it detailed that this is aimed at google/fb ? Despite your condescending rebuttal I actually am disagreeing with your position. I don't think this is good for democracy in that having the cash to produce original content im…

Google is more than Search. This is targeted at Google News.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by incompatible »

dbasedweeb wrote: post #60
xoa wrote: post #33

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> but past performed is not a guarantee of future gains Yes, but to your question regarding A/V standards, that works both ways. While past performance often isn't a great predictor, human biological specs are a decent predictor for the near future. If we take 8k as the current bleeding edge (given actual beyond-the-lab 8k screens exist, albeit at horrendous bleeding edge pricing), we're somewhere around one more dou…

You’re thinking in terms of one big screen, but by 2030 maybe it’s VR that rules the day? What does 16K per eyeball look like? How about a movie with a dozen perspectives in the file? There are loads of foreseeable ways to blow up file sizes in a dozen years.

360 degree video already exists: I believe it works by transmitting the entire output from 2 or more wide angle lenses and letting the viewer select an angle to display. Search for 360 video on youtube for examples.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by icebraining »

briandear wrote: post #49
IAmEveryone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How will this effect google or facebook at all? Google and Facebook show titles and quotes of linked articles. This legislation is specifically aimed at them. Noncommercial actors (bloggers etc) are supposed to be exempt. > How do you NOT see this as bad? It is extremely frustrating how people on HN apparently have no ability to acknowledge a valid argument for a position they oppose. Read the last two paragraphs o…

> The latter is fundamental for a functioning democracy. But if distributors have to pay to link to such content, then such content will not contribute to a functioning democracy because nobody will be able to discover this content. And, it's funny you mention "functioning democracy" -- tell me how Brussels is part of a functioning democracy? The European Commission President and commissioners aren't elected are they…

You know, if the claim is "the current system does not lead to a functioning democracy", saying "but you don't have a functioning democracy" is not an opposing argument.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by incompatible »

rotrux wrote: post #23

Is anyone really surprised by this? We (America) just signed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act into law last month without so much as a blip from The AP or Thompson Reuters. The internet is sorta like the printing-press but more important. Of course it's threatening the powers-that-be & of course they're gonna' try and get that under control.

The idea that the powers-that-be are working on getting this new Internet thing under their control has been a recurring meme for a long time. I'm sure it was around in the 1990s. They don't seem to have been doing a good job so far; unless they are somehow secretly behind Google and Facebook.

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by icebraining »

greggman wrote: post #57

I'm guessing this is an unpopular idea but is it possible we just don't need as many journalists? I 100% Agree that journalism is important but before the internet, for the most post, every news paper needed people to cover every story they wanted to run. Even if they took a story from the AP or Ruters they still needed someone to dig that up. Now, there is no reason why the AP and Rutere can't just publish their con…

What specifically did the Internet change that allows for the same coverage with so fewer correspondents?

Re: European Copyright Law Could Soon Get Worse

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Post by icebraining »

ddmd1 wrote: post #17
phkahler wrote: post #12

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What they really need is for sites to stop ripping off their stories. How often do you see an article that is essentially a reprint of a story written somewhere else. It's not really a reprint, it's written as an alleged summary of the other story but contains all the details and some irrelevant banter by the author. This stuff is all over the internet and prevents readers from needing to read the original source.

Is it really any different in print media where half the stories come from AP or Reuters? Everyone is rewriting the same stories.

Pretty sure print media pays AP and Reuters. Which is the point here.
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