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In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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They're playing the status game. "Rewrite history" and "dated allegations" serve mostly to slander whoever made those claims. Then they raise Zuckerberg's status by pointing out his achievements. They're effectively saying the accusation isn't valid because Zuckerberg is nobility and the accusers are not.

If it weren’t for Zuckerberg’s status these allegations wouldn’t have bothered coming out.

While that’s probably true, does that justify his actions?

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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On the one hand, this is a very shitty thing to do. On the other, he was young and dumb and FB was very different than it is today. I suppose it could be red flag and indicate larger character flaws that have leaked into how FB operates now, but I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19.

>I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. "Mark was a different person back then" would be much more believable if it wasn't for the fact he deceived users in 2011, has recently used his privileges as CEO to delete messages he had sent, and repeatedly tried to cover up the abuse of their api in 2014 (even going to far as to threaten lawsuits against the Guardian journalists a…

These excuses seem to be regularly voted to the top. I wonder if Zuck has his minions crawling this site.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Many comments here can be summarized "but he was only 19, young and dumb ..." However many 19 years olds do things that impact the rest of their life and don't get that excuse. "But doing illegal things is different..." Isn't accessing someone's email without consent illegal?

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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I’m getting a 404 on the article link now. Did someone (on a Sunday evening) notice that this story resurfaced on HN and had their lawyer send over a cease a desist to business insider to get it taken down?

Up for me.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Facebook’s response to this story is revealing: > "We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources who seek to rewrite Facebook’s early history or embarrass Mark Zuckerberg with dated allegations. The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in t…

Yeah this nice corporate PR > We’re not going to debate the disgruntled litigants and anonymous sources "We're not denying it though. It is true. If they were false and we could debate and win the debate, we would" > The unquestioned fact is that since leaving Harvard for Silicon Valley nearly six years ago, Mark has led Facebook's growth from a college website to a global service playing an important role in the liv…

> It depends when and what was done and at what age, what happened before and after. I can see being forgiving some thing up until the early 20s. People are still developing and personality could change I suppose.

I don't think Zuckerberg should be given a pass just because of this. His life since college has been nothing like the 20s that anyone else would go through (even others from Harvard). Not even close. Imagine the kind of effect that has on someone, especially with the kind of power he wielded (and still wields) through Facebook.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're playing the status game. "Rewrite history" and "dated allegations" serve mostly to slander whoever made those claims. Then they raise Zuckerberg's status by pointing out his achievements. They're effectively saying the accusation isn't valid because Zuckerberg is nobility and the accusers are not.

This is called the ad populum fallacy. Trump uses it all the time.

Also a favourite tactic of Elon Musk to convince people he's a super genius

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm personally glad I'm not being judged today for everything I did when I was 19. "Mark was a different person back then" would be much more believable if it wasn't for the fact he deceived users in 2011, has recently used his privileges as CEO to delete messages he had sent, and repeatedly tried to cover up the abuse of their api in 2014 (even going to far as to threaten lawsuits against the Guardian journalists a…

These excuses seem to be regularly voted to the top. I wonder if Zuck has his minions crawling this site.

Please don't post like this - it's just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect in action.

I don't mean to pick on you personally; there are many such perceptions and they all disagree, just like people's underlying views disagree. Since they don't add information, such comments are off topic.

Re: In 2004, Zuckerberg Broke Into a Facebook User's Private Email Account (2010)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The decade immediately after you’re teens is a time period with a lot of change. Many people find career paths, spouses, and have children. Also worth considering is that FB is a much different company — structure-wise — than when it was just a social media site servicing Harvard students.

Is it a company with much more integrity? I think not.

It is a company with many, many more employees, executives, and shareholders. In that respect, your rhetorical question doesn't make sense to me, because I don't think of companies as large as FB (today, or in 2010) as having traits as easily quantifiable as they are for individual humans. Whether Zuckerber had his own road to Damascus moment is only part of the equation -- his innate desire to commit felony-level hacking may also be curtailed by his realization that his actions receive far more scrutiny than they did back when FB did not answer to nor have the attention of shareholders, regulators, and policymakers.
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