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Hold on. Wasn't Facebook Messenger supposed to be encrypted E2E? EDIT: Ok, from the responses I get I was confused. Maybe Allo? Skype? I'm sure someone else other than Signal and WhatsApp were using Signal's protocol. Just ignore this post.
[0]: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/facebook-completely-encrypted-...
There seems to be a cottage industry around making words more palatable when it comes to tech privacy. "Scans" should be "reads and stores" "What you send to other people" should be "private messages, images, and videos" "What you send to other people" implies that there was no expectation of privacy in the first place, which (while true) I think does not match the 'normal' person's expectations or understanding. New…
Is there any indication that FB doesn't scan the contents of these messages before encrypting them with your own key and sending them across the wire?
[0]: https://www.facebook.com/help/messenger-app/1084673321594605... [1]: https://www.wired.com/2016/10/facebook-completely-encrypted-...
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Let me ask you this then. I clicked your HN profile for clues about what your interests might be, and you mention your public key on keybase.io. For this example (I am writing this before I did this search) I will search Google for keybase.io and copy here one of the top ads. Unfortunately keybase.io and keybase as search terms don't show me any ads. Let me try "public key". Still no ad. (On Google's homepage.) Let m…
I would rather see the cat food. Software products that need advertisement to succeed are either underperforming (because they’ve spent their money on ads instead of devs) or scams.
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With email, I don’t explicitly white list people I want to communicate with. With messaging apps, Facebook has a list of people I consider “friends”.
What difference does that make?
With messaging, I've already explicitly told Facebook who I want to contact me - my "friends". I've never received a message from a friend claiming to be Nigerian prince or trying to sell me "generic Viagra".
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If they didn't scan and detect child porn, there would be articles about how they're letting people get away with sharing child porn on Messenger. It seems there's no way for Facebook to win here, given that people want both complete privacy and also no illicit activity on the platform.
> If they didn't scan and detect child porn, there would be articles about how they're letting people get away with sharing child porn on Messenger. No there wouldn’t be. Do you hear that about iMessage, SMS, email or the numerous other services?
Yes.
The reason why you don't hear about it is because of all the work already being done to combat it.
How much work have you done in this field?
Why is this newsworthy? Did people think Facebook somehow didn't have access to what was being sent across its own platform?
"I know a guy that works there, and he says they take privacy very seriously!"
"Facebook is too big to make such a stupid decision like looking into your personal communications!"
^ All of these are arguments that I've heard here on HN. I can't even imagine what people on non-tech oriented sites say.
FTA: “For example, on Messenger, when you send a photo, our automated systems scan it using photo matching technology to detect known child exploitation imagery Ah yes, the "Think of the children" [1] argument. This is the favorite argument of censorship [2] lawmakers, dictators and everyone who wants to destroy personal liberties and privacy. They always invoke "think of the children" arguments because you look like…
What do you propose as an alternative? This isn't govt mandated censorship, it's a private company not wanting to become a CP sharing portal.
Just another reason to avoid Facebook products : Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp ... I think E2E encrypted messaging is the only social solution that makes sense in today's ad tech pervasive tracking world.
WhatsApp is E2E encrypted
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Yep, very old news. They also blocked URLs to competitors claiming the links were spam. Even if you legit posted the link, Facebook didn't notify you the message didn't send. It just failed silently.
> They also blocked URLs to competitors claiming the links were spam. Even if you legit posted the link, Facebook didn't notify you the message didn't send. It just failed silently. Any links to more reading on this?