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Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by michaelmrose »

mrgordon wrote: post #86
michaelmrose wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of buying whatever windows/mac computer looks like a good deal and hoping it runs linux buy with linux in mind and you will have an easier experience.

I don’t disagree with your point but it only addresses part of my problem. For one thing, the Linux UIs like GNOME and KDE are terrible. They do the job for some people but I would willingly pay more to use OS X without hesitation. I also have experienced many situations like the following, although typically not quite as extreme... A coworker decided to purchase a Lenovo with Linux as a developer at a company where…

If you define not working like OSX I guess its terrible seems pretty functional to me.

Personally I prefer i3wm and keyboard driven workflow and find the way mac handles multi monitor loathsome. This doesn't mean that it is objectively bad it means I find it unsuitable as a matter of taste.

The fact that he had hardware issues hardly means linux is terrible in fact its a fairly nonsensical way to qualify an entire OS.

You could I'm sure find someone who bought a singular mac and had issues with it in a workplace full of linux users and try the equally nonsensical if opposite conclusion.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

michaelmrose wrote: post #88
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a HP Laptop on the Ubuntu Desktop Certified list ( https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/ ). Since day one, every time I boot up there has been some sort of display error. The networking has never worked correctly. Desktop linux needs to do what Apple did. Pick a hand full of laptops and desktops (or just ditch desktops) with some combination of hardware and just support those. Until then, it's always going…

Your methodology appears sound but if I can offer you some improvements. Ubuntu's non LTS releases seem to suffer far more issues comparatively. I would suggest you stick with LTS releases and for software which you need more recent versions you may look to individual ppa's for that project. It's a common misconception that such releases are years out of date. By default they are for say the kernel meanwhile user ori…

I'm using a HP Elitebook 840 running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Didn't work with 14.04 LTS either.

I hope you appreciate that you wrote 4 paragraphs on how I could improve on picking a laptop from the Ubuntu Certified list to have fewer problems.

>If you really want this to be a happening thing the logical thing to do is to support vendors that sell Linux machines with your money.

I've been using Linux since 99. It's never worked without problems. It's been 20 years and I can't pick a laptop off a list of Certified hardware and be confident. I abandoned linux for home use a decade ago which makes me sad because I wish my side project laptop could be a linux machine. Development is so much easier on linux.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by SyneRyder »

mherrmann wrote: post #84

Marta was inspired by (my) https://fman.io [1]. Marta's author criticises that fman doesn't feel native enough because it is also available for Windows and Linux. (It's based on PyQt.) What you get in return however are a more vibrant community and plugin ecosystem in Python. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13921631

Also from Marta's author in that thread:

"The development of Marta started the long before I knew about fman, so it's not any kind of imitation."

"I don't think we are the direct competitors. fman is a completely another project with its own strong and weak points. I tried fman and didn't like it because of numerous reasons, but it's my own opinion."

Two column file manager interfaces have been around for a long time, fman certainly didn't invent it. Marta seems to draw more influence from Midnight Commander / Norton Commander, with the function key reminders at the bottom of the window. The breadcrumbs and tabs in Marta remind me more of Panic's Transmit, and those UI elements aren't in fman. There's elements of the standard Mac finder in there. It is definitely not a clone of fman.

I think that was a really unfair comment, designed to get traffic to a competing product.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by noir_lord »

dchest wrote: post #90
userbinator wrote: post #47

Perhaps this is a bit off-topic, but I correctly guessed from the domain name and later, the contents of the page, that [1] the author is Russian, and [2] the file manager resembles the layout of FAR, another file manager of Russian origin and seemingly very popular among them. In short, what is it with Russians and this type of file manager? It's a very curious association.

Norton Commander (and its clones, such as Volkov Commander, DOS Navigator) was very popular in ex-USSR — almost every computer running DOS (the majority of PCs in ex-USSR back then) had nc running as the main user interface to the PC, and was introduced in most computer education courses in the 90's.

For me it was Xtree, that was my favorite file manager ever.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by mherrmann »

SyneRyder wrote: post #93
mherrmann wrote: post #84

Marta was inspired by (my) https://fman.io [1]. Marta's author criticises that fman doesn't feel native enough because it is also available for Windows and Linux. (It's based on PyQt.) What you get in return however are a more vibrant community and plugin ecosystem in Python. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13921631

Also from Marta's author in that thread: "The development of Marta started the long before I knew about fman, so it's not any kind of imitation." "I don't think we are the direct competitors. fman is a completely another project with its own strong and weak points. I tried fman and didn't like it because of numerous reasons, but it's my own opinion." Two column file manager interfaces have been around for a long time…

Also from that thread:

> This is eerily similar to fman

> I was about to ask if this was some form of re-release

So it's not just me who thinks the similarities are uncanny.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by yanex »

mherrmann wrote: post #84

Marta was inspired by (my) https://fman.io [1]. Marta's author criticises that fman doesn't feel native enough because it is also available for Windows and Linux. (It's based on PyQt.) What you get in return however are a more vibrant community and plugin ecosystem in Python. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13921631

Marta is not inspired by fman. The Action panel (I think it's called a Command palette in fman) is likely to be the only common thing between our products – and we both took it from Sublime Text. But it's not really important.

The "doesn't feel native" is not the main problem for me. I use a number of non-native apps (such as IJ IDEA) – and I'm okay with it.

fman is a just slow app without features. It was ok if it was in alpha stages, but why it is a paid product then? Come on, there's still no way to cancel the copy process! And you need to install a third-party plugin to swap panes. I wonder how you made such a small progress since the last year, considering that you work on fman full-time.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by saagarjha »

yanex wrote: post #44
saagarjha wrote: post #42

So, I see a plugin API for this, as well as a sample Swift plugin: https://github.com/marta-file-manager/HelloWorldPlugin . How are you making this work? As far as I know, creating plugins in Swift is a bad idea because trying to load two of them with incompatible runtimes (a likely possibility, since Swift doesn't have a stable ABI) would cause bad things to happen.

Well, until Swift introduces ABI compatibility, this is definitely a problem, as both Marta API and a plugin need to be built with the same version of Swift. Depending on the Swift release roadmap, I'll postpone 1.0 until the release of Swift 5, or make the API ObjC-compatible. I also have plans for making a "lightweight API" (possibly in Lua). It will support only the subset of features available in the "full API",…

> both Marta API and a plugin need to be built with the same version of Swift

As far as I’m aware, this isn’t a problem, since your communicating between the two using the Objective-C runtime, which is resilient to the underlying ABI because it essentially overlays its own. The issue arises when you have two plugins with incompatible versions of Swift: in this case, each will load its own standard library, which will lead to conflicts since for any given function in the shared library one of the implementations has to “win out”. This will cause at least one of the plugins to be unable to interface with the standard library correctly.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by hambos22 »

I just tried it and I really liked it. It looks very promising. I applause author's statements about its business model ("The goal for me is to create the best file manager for Mac, not to become rich.").

I have tried everything, from Double Commander, to Forklift,Pathfinder and fman.

I was fman user for about a year (OSX) but it was slow and the quick look (with plugins) was unresponsive and crashed all the time so I cancelled my subscription about one month ago and I was in search for a minimal but powerful dual panel file manager with keyboard functionality.

Thanks for making this, it looks like TotalFinder (which I am a user since the beginning) for power users. Especially the tabs functionality

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

#99

Post by michaelmrose »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #92
michaelmrose wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your methodology appears sound but if I can offer you some improvements. Ubuntu's non LTS releases seem to suffer far more issues comparatively. I would suggest you stick with LTS releases and for software which you need more recent versions you may look to individual ppa's for that project. It's a common misconception that such releases are years out of date. By default they are for say the kernel meanwhile user ori…

I'm using a HP Elitebook 840 running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Didn't work with 14.04 LTS either. I hope you appreciate that you wrote 4 paragraphs on how I could improve on picking a laptop from the Ubuntu Certified list to have fewer problems. > If you really want this to be a happening thing the logical thing to do is to support vendors that sell Linux machines with your money. I've been using Linux since 99. It's never w…

Any particular reason in 19 years for not buying a machine that comes with Linux pre installed?

I bought a used ThinkPad from Craigslist after googling the model and the word Linux. Worked for me.

Re: Marta, file manager for macOS, goes beta

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Post by abcd_f »

dchest wrote: post #90
userbinator wrote: post #47

Perhaps this is a bit off-topic, but I correctly guessed from the domain name and later, the contents of the page, that [1] the author is Russian, and [2] the file manager resembles the layout of FAR, another file manager of Russian origin and seemingly very popular among them. In short, what is it with Russians and this type of file manager? It's a very curious association.

Norton Commander (and its clones, such as Volkov Commander, DOS Navigator) was very popular in ex-USSR — almost every computer running DOS (the majority of PCs in ex-USSR back then) had nc running as the main user interface to the PC, and was introduced in most computer education courses in the 90's.

In fact NC was so ubiquitous that it had jokes about it printed in computer magazines and circulating on the Fido network.
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