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By that definition the usage of condoms is murder, too, as their usage means intentionally killing ovocytes, which are innocent, human, and alive. But it doesn't stop there! Following that logic, not getting every single fertile girl and woman forcibly pregrant every 28 days is murder, too! Otherwise, all those ovocytes will die. Somewhere in the syllogism you postulated has to be a logical flaw.
Actually, It is you whose logic is faulty here. Life (according to the commentator) begins when an embryo is fertilized.
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, It is you whose logic is faulty here. Life (according to the commentator) begins when an embryo is fertilized.
Murder starts at a single fertilized cell?
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>To me, this is not a philosophical argument. Why? Determining what is and isn't life is based on human reasoning, judgement, and morality. Have you found an alternate approach that was somehow missed by everyone else? :) >If you call it murder to end a pregnancy at any stage, as the GP does, then women are hostages of a life not yet able to survive on its own. Perhaps you missed the stem cell therapy treatment conte…
Is there some new fangled means for embryos to grow into babies that don't involve a human womb?
You began by assuming something that nobody had said AFAIK. Then you started on another tangent about pregnancy and abortion rights, now you're onto something else. Sorry, I don't have the time to respond to your off topic comments.
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helping people be able to see again? sounds like a definition of "job satisfaction"
Really depends on the person. I have very small sight problems (+.5/-.75) which don't affect me most of the time, but are a danger in traffic. The doctor that diagnosed that really didn't care to answer any of my questions.
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This is the fourth time in this thread that you have attempted to reiterate this argument. Nearly everyone disagreeing with you is contesting your implication that an embryo is "a human" as opposed to "a potential human", and they further believe that "a potential human" does not have the same rights as "a human". You don't appear to have a follow-up to that argument other than "isn't that just your opinion." In orde…
> You don't appear to have a follow-up to that argument other than "isn't that just your opinion." This is patently false. I have tried to give arguments but people are generally incapable of understanding what "begging the question" means. I cannot convince people that are not rational. Something is either a human, or it isn't. If it isn't a human, it has to be something else. Assume that the embryo is not a human.…
If it is something else, what is it?
It's a clump of human cells that could potentially become a human. The majority of human-grown embryos do not become human.Re: Macular degeneration: 'I've been given my sight back'
#96> Cells from a human embryo Are they sure? They can now harvest stem cells from regular tissue and blood, as I understand it
> Are they sure? They can now harvest stem cells from regular tissue and blood, as I understand it There are adult stem cells which are differentiated or partly differentiated to particular systems, eyes, skin, blood etc, and there are induced pluripotent stem cells, where chemical or viral factors have been used to 'wind back the clock' for adult, differentiated cells back to completely non-differentiated (pluripote…
Re: Macular degeneration: 'I've been given my sight back'
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> You don't appear to have a follow-up to that argument other than "isn't that just your opinion." This is patently false. I have tried to give arguments but people are generally incapable of understanding what "begging the question" means. I cannot convince people that are not rational. Something is either a human, or it isn't. If it isn't a human, it has to be something else. Assume that the embryo is not a human.…
If it is something else, what is it? It's a clump of human cells that could potentially become a human. The majority of human-grown embryos do not become human.
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If it is something else, what is it? It's a clump of human cells that could potentially become a human. The majority of human-grown embryos do not become human.
When does this miraculous event (the potentially human becoming human) occur?
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Although "Murder is the intentional killing of an innocent human life" sounds like a reasonable definition out of context, you've presented a context in which "innocent human life" just means any human cells that you've arbitrarily judged "innocent". I'm going to guess this dodge is here because you support, or at least wish to avoid antagonising, people who believe that killing other people is a legitimate criminal…
> I'm going to guess this dodge is here because you support, or at least wish to avoid antagonising, people who believe that killing other people is a legitimate criminal punishment and so somehow it's not "murder" if the state chooses to do it. Although it's also possible you condone extra-judicial killing, with the same dodge, it's OK to torture somebody to death so long as you know, they're bad guys... I don't bel…
Human utterances in natural languages have a bunch of unspoken rules, breaking the rules is something that happens periodically by accident, and enables some amusing comedy (the late Ronnie Barker's most famous work "Four Candles" is a classic example) but on the whole honest participants in a conversation are not trying to break the rules. So. One of the rules is you mustn't mention things in the utterance that are irrelevant. For example:
"I've never been to Sweden in the summer" doesn't _logically_ preclude having never been to Sweden at all, but the rule means "in the summer" shouldn't appear in this utterance unless it's relevant, so it becomes a reasonable assumption for the listener that the speaker _has_ been to Sweden in some other season.
If a person says they believe "Innocent people should not be hanged" you're correct that _logically_ this offers no opinion on whether it's fine to hang guilty people. But the rule says it _does_ carry such an opinion implicitly, if innocence wasn't important it would not be mentioned.
When somebody is being very careful to define something in terms of other words and phrases they've used, we shouldn't assume they just threw some of them in for a laugh, they must all be part of the meaning intended - otherwise we can't communicate at all, just as we can't communicate with people who insist on Humpty Dumpty's rule (a word means whatever Humpty chooses it to mean).
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When does this miraculous event (the potentially human becoming human) occur?
Whenever the relevant legal threshold happens. Here's the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_human_personhood
You don't see how this view (arbitrarily assigning personhood as a result of legal decree, rather than assenting to the plain natural, empirically verifiable fact) commits you to all sorts of morally untenable positions?
For example, "because they're human beings" is no longer a tenable objection to the person who wants to kill Jews on account of the law they passed precluding Jews from personhood. How would someone, like you, give a defense when you no longer have recourse to the plain, natural, empirically verifiable fact that they are human beings?