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Have you ever had to support sharepoint? I don't know if I'd consider it an excellent product.
It makes $1 billion per year
Lots of crappy products make $1 billion per year, especially enterprise products.
Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
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Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
FYI, I think "apt-get autoremove" will do what you want -- list packages which were installed automatically as a dependency and are no longer necessary. (I'm not sure how or if you can do the same thing with the package management GUI.)
BTW ... both "autoremove" and "dist-upgrade" made my system unusable a couple of times. There's no software repository as properly maintained as Debian's ... but normal users can totally trash their systems and that is not OK.
> normal users can totally trash their systems and that is not OK.
That is one of it's greatest shortcomings. Then again, on the other hand, that is one of it's greatest strengths.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#93I think by far the most telling part of this was this quote: "Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night -- why should I reboot at that time?" No wonder he has no idea how horrible Windows is. He resets it every day.
Until sleep mode (and laptops) became the social custom, lots of people shut down at night and booted up in the morning.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#94Ok, this is kind of old shoe, but let's discuss the Windows usability a bit. I have to endure some amount of XP and 7 on a regular basis, so I have some understanding on how to work with them (well, mostly how to set up or correct things). Those that say that Windows 7 is so much better.. well, in some sense. I admittedly has better optics. And it crashes less. Administrative tasks got more tiresome though, compared…
Enough to make it very repetitive, too little that automation would make much sense, especially considering the abysmal automation tools Windows comes with cough shell cough Hmm... I've been thinking about switching to Powershell. What do you find abysmal about it?
You are kidding, right? Powershell just does not conform to the original UNIX sh standards, which is why even console wizards will avoid it.
Same reason why tcsh and ksh didn't get traction, and they even have merit to them.
Who is the target audience? UNIX command line people certainly aren't. Then who, people that managed to learn VB Scripting host?
That's just not how things work.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#95I tried to download it - their new simple solution is to include it as part of Windows Live. So I want a simple movie editor to clip 5secs off the beginning of a home movie - BUT to do this I have to sign up for an MS specific hotmail account, create a windows passport (I thought they had abandoned that?) get Windows messenger, windows photo viewer and be included in a whole bunch of MS specific social websites. So I…
You know, no one took away the check boxes that let you choose which Windows Live programs you want to install when you're trying to run the installer. The installer doesn't even download any of those apps if you leave them unchecked. If you don't want Messenger, Photo Gallery, or even to sign up for a Windows Live ID, you don't have to get/do those things. Most people find that this is actually helpful, though, beca…
I'd suggest downloading the iWork demo and installing it.
http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/
It's a magnitude easier than installing anything on Windows: Click Link. DMG gets mounted on desktop. Click continue a couple times.
But really that's quaint, too. Install iMovie on the iPhone or iPad: Search App Store. Click Install. Enter Password.
Expecting users to do anything else at install time is expecting too much.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#96Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations? I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").
Here's Eric Raymond on Cups for a Unix perspective. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
Here's a reaction to it by Gruber:
http://daringfireball.net/2004/04/spray_on_usability
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has made a bunch of very good products: - Windows 3.0 and 3.1 clearly hit exactly the sweet spot between DOS and OS/2 - Word and Excel were legitimately better than the competition (and still are, although there is not much competition left). - Internet Explorer 4 was so much better than Netscape 3 and 4 that it wasn't even funny - Windows 2000 and XP were very good operating systems
Almost all releases of the NT line were good (including Win 7). Was there any OS contemporary to NT 3.51 that was better than it at anything (beside win 95 when it comes to compatibility with more software & hardware)?
I quite liked NT 3.5 as a development platform back then. I came from WfW 3.11 and used Borland C++ 4.5, and nasty programming bugs would hang 3.11, but not NT 3.5.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#98Seriously though, is all of this fixed in Windows 7, or are people just hyping that up because it sucks alot less than any previous Windows iterations? I don't think I've _ever_ seen a process that convoluted, and I've been using Linux OSes since _before_ the advent of dependency-resolvers like yum and apt (i.e, the bad old days of "RPM hell").
I'm a Windows person, but I've got Ubuntu on a netbook. It took me a couple of hours to figure out how to get the repository for XBMC set up so that it would let me install the program. Now I'd like to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4, but I don't have quite enough space in the SSD to do it. I'd like to cut out some software that I don't really use on the netbook. But I can't figure out how to make it actually get rid of thing…
This is one of the advantages of using 'aptitude' to install software rather than 'apt-get'. Removal takes care of unused dependencies.
Beware, mixing 'apt-get' and 'aptitude' used to cause some issues, such as trying to remove software that wasn't installed with 'aptitude' (although it always asks first). I think this has been fixed in recent versions but I'm not sure.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
BTW ... both "autoremove" and "dist-upgrade" made my system unusable a couple of times. There's no software repository as properly maintained as Debian's ... but normal users can totally trash their systems and that is not OK.
I always assumed that it tended to work out for "normal" users -- that sucks if it doesn't. I tend to be the sort of person who "[thinks that] development versions, experimental and unstable are for old ladies" (HT to xorg-edgers.) I'm pretty sure that condemns me to a life of resolving weird incompatibilities. I definitely don't personally trust autoremove as far as I can chuck it. (edit: my experience is on Ubuntu,…
I've never had a problem with aptitude's autoremoval on Debian, at least. It might be somewhat more conservative than apt-get's autoremove, though I'm not sure exactly how apt-get's version works. Aptitude sort of opts-in packages to autoremoval: when aptitude itself automatically installs a package to satisfy a dependency, it remembers that fact, and only considers those packages for auto-uninstallation. So the only possible way a package will get auto-removed is if it was a package that aptitude auto-installed to begin with, and none of the reasons for the auto-installation hold anymore. Any package that got on the system some other way, such as being part of the base install from an ISO, doesn't get considered, even if nothing depends on it.
Re: Bill Gates: "Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable?"
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
My name is Steve and Windows was my idea.
My name is Douglas Engelbart and Windows was my idea before Alan Kay, Bill Gates _or_ Steve Jobs.
Not really. Englebart pioneered the mouse & a semi-GUI interface in NLS, but it didn't involve multiple windows.