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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by viridian »

acdha wrote: post #65
ofirg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not what the memo said. did you not read it or is this what you think the writer meant even if he did not actually write that but you have some kind of mind reading abilities?

Accusing people of not reading the memo doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation. If you share Damore’s views, just say so rather than trying to distract.

There are a couple of reasons people are so quick to claim other people didn't read the memo verbatim. The first being that the first major publication to run with it, and the biggest one here on HN, was the verge's article where citations and graphs were stripped away from it.

The other is that is it often given such uncharitable descriptions that people who have read it simply can't believe the hate levied at it comes from actually having read the thing. I've actually talked this whole topic through for hours back and forth with someone who is very against the memo, but even they they would call it a sexist manifesto. That sort of thing comes across as off the cuff criticism by people who haven't read the thing.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by chapill »

shaki-dora wrote: post #61
chapill wrote: post #29

Plausible deniabilty. Google will claim the illegal activity was due to the management of the recruitment company and not direct orders. And ARS puts illegal in scare quotes. Shameful.

The lawsuit insists on putting diversity in scare-quotes, so I guess fair’s fair?

I would assume a legal filing would call it what it is: illegal discrimination. I don't trust ARS to get these things right.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by heisnotanalien »

What about if you are white working-class man? Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man? What about short versus tall people? What about beautiful versus ugly people? The halo effect is well-known. The whole thing is just absurd and dehumanising.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by dmihal »

JPKab wrote: post #41
2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

I'm surprised that people still view Google as a cool place to work. It seems to me that ship sailed years ago. They are a giant corporation reliant on one monopoly product to fund everything else. Employees usually are stuck with some tiny part of a component in a system. The office perks are nice, but are you really going to do interesting work there anymore?

The free food & other perks will keep their "cool" image going for a while. But it's certainly dipping.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by viridian »

southphillyman wrote: post #88

Companies should clearly articulate how diversity programs work. It seems like people don't understand that diversity outreach programs don't create an advantage for minorities, instead they level the playing field as once closed pipelines get opened/discovered. I fear that all this recent news about diversity and Google will create an environment where perfectly qualified non Asian minorities won't feel welcomed or…

Isn't this allegation an exact counterpoint to what you are saying? Throwing out the resumes of everyone who isn't hispanic, black, or female seems to be creating an advantage.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by jamiegreen »

dragonwriter wrote: post #66
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #63

One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. It's like saying you support democracy and kim jong un.

> One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. If you believe that the status quo is systematically biased, you cannot meanignfully support equality without supporting action to correct the bias.

Isn't that just adding different biases?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by leemailll »

rvshchwl wrote: post #57
2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

Google is the first big company that I actually rejected after receiving an offer from them. I had a really bad experience, and just felt like the company was looking for things I am much more qualified from. I was interviewed by engineers who were all just recent college grads, no managers, tech leads, or anyone I felt were probably more qualified to interview me. The environment felt toxic. Most people I talked to…

That’s really unprofessional and disrespectful for a company like google.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by klausjensen »

xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Friend - Get out.

Many of us have been there, and it is not worth that feeling in your stomach every morning, because it drains the life out of you, can cause all kinds of physical and emotional problems.

Go take a job somewhere else, where you might earn less - but will be less miserable - or maybe even happy.

Get out.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by [deleted] »

dmihal wrote: post #94
JPKab wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised that people still view Google as a cool place to work. It seems to me that ship sailed years ago. They are a giant corporation reliant on one monopoly product to fund everything else. Employees usually are stuck with some tiny part of a component in a system. The office perks are nice, but are you really going to do interesting work there anymore?

The free food & other perks will keep their "cool" image going for a while. But it's certainly dipping.

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by izacus »

xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.
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