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Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #58
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #37

So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Do they have a model of your face already trained, or are they just using a generic facial recognition neural network to compute an embedding vector and then finding identities that are close to that vector in L2 distance or whatever?

How do they discern the difference between someone without an account (ie: a new face), a poor result from the network, and someone who's opted out? Unless the default for everyone is "opt-out", which I highly doubt.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by tyfon »

jacquesm wrote: post #54
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #37

So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

I'm getting severe anxiety from having a camera pointed at me since this all Facebook stuff started and people posted pictures online. Needless to say, I don't have an account there.

I also take off the moment I see a camera unless the shooter in advance ask me if it's ok and they agree to not put it online. Unfortunately I can't do anything about CCTV but that's not posted online at least.

It's to the point where I avoid social settings with a lot of unknown people and generally stay with my wife and kids. Not that that is a bad think, I'm quite happy to be with them :)

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by acomjean »

denzil_correa wrote: post #50
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #37

So, here's the weird catch-22. Or perhaps, the illusion of choice. There are two people who are in a photo. One wishes Facebook to use face recognition, the other does not. Facebook will run face recognition on the photo regardless, but how will they know who wants to be recognized, and who doesn't? Simply, they have a model of your face already trained. And they recognize you in photos--you have no say whether or no…

Privacy Leakage via Social (Co-Location etc.) Information - an important and active research area.

That’s an interesting point. Not on Facebook but they know who I am and who I know already (they sent me an invite to join years ago with a list of about 10 people I might know. I knew 9 of them...

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by [deleted] »

cryptoz wrote: post #49
ikeyany wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that we naively trust him, we just believe the creepy data gathering is the price to pay for that warm feeling of being connected with pseudo-friends and kinda-acquaintances.

It's not just creepy data gathering. It's specific, targeted emotional manipulation. Facebook runs "experiments" on its users to intentionally make them feel sad or depressed. They publish these works, proud of their accomplishments, and tell us that we agreed to be emotionally manipulated into a dark depression because we agreed to the Terms of Service when we signed up. Facebook believes you gave them your informed…

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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by Raphmedia »

antoncohen wrote: post #7

I got nearly the same notification, except mine defaulted to off, it said "This setting is off, but you can turn it on any time". My guess is that they based the setting on another setting. For example there was some photo tagging thing added years ago, and I disabled that. Most of my timeline and tagging settings are set to Custom or require review.

Countries laws? Are you in Europe perhaps?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by mod »

jacquesm wrote: post #74
Joeri wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, aside from emotional distress, what harm are you afraid of?

Why should I have to be afraid of anything? Is this a riff on the 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' theme? I just don't think it is ok that large companies are working their way into datasets about every living body on the planet and that is my right. See also, article 12: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upo…

I can't speak for the guy you're replying to, but I'm also curious what harm you're afraid of, mostly so that I can also be afraid of it.

Definitely not the "nothing to hide" stuff as I'm very pro-privacy.

I have a vague fear of some kind of dystopian situation that arises or is influenced by these huge, accurate data sets. I'm curious if you have more specific qualms with it. My vague fear hasn't kept photos of me off of social media, even though I'm okay being a "weird guy who doesn't take photos" if need be.

I know your username and respect your opinion, maybe the grandparent does as well.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by gnicholas »

Did anyone else notice that FB mentioned accessibility as one of the reasons that people should opt-in to face recognition? I wonder whether this was something that the FB Accessibility team actually asked for, or whether this is just a do-good sounding excuse for a program that FB wants to (clandestinely, apparently) launch.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by growse »

jacquesm wrote: post #82
cdelsolar wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can I order/make your tinfoil hat?

Why is simply insisting on something that is listed in the universal declaration of human rights something that should warrant a tinfoil hat? In my experience stuff like this is abused sooner or later, most likely sooner. I see absolutely no reason why I should willingly consent to such abuse. Privacy is important, guard it because if you don't there is no way back.

> Why is simply insisting on something that is listed in the universal declaration of human rights something that should warrant a tinfoil hat?

But you're not insisting on that. You're insisting that no-one takes a picture of you, even (presumably) if you're standing in a public place.

You might want to read what the rest of the UDHR says before you try and infringe on the rights of others.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Post by dumbfounder »

jacquesm wrote: post #82
cdelsolar wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can I order/make your tinfoil hat?

Why is simply insisting on something that is listed in the universal declaration of human rights something that should warrant a tinfoil hat? In my experience stuff like this is abused sooner or later, most likely sooner. I see absolutely no reason why I should willingly consent to such abuse. Privacy is important, guard it because if you don't there is no way back.

Looks like you are active on social media (Twitter, anyways) which seems at odds with your extreme privacy stance regarding pictures. Why the distinction? (not trying to attack, just curious)
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