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Why Toys?

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Re: Why Toys?

#91

The best dichotomy I've heard for this is: Are you building [Ice Skates] or are you building [Ear muffs]? Ice skates allow you to do something new that you didn't even know you had a demand for. Ear muffs solve a problem that you were already solving poorly (with your hands). [Business vs toy] is an insanely counterproductive mental framework which will create a false sense of security in founders who are actually bu…

What does it say about me that I'd rather build ice skates than ear muffs?

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#92

Standard Oil actually did start out as a toy. They provided oil to burn in lamps. At the time most people thought that was a somewhat silly gimmick and a fad that would quickly pass. Oil in general was seen as something neat but not essential for years. But just like facebook, many people soon came around to the idea and it took over the world. Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr. covers this all in incredible…

I wouldn't call lamp oil a toy. The defining feature of a toy is that people use it just for the joy of using it, rather than to solve a problem.

Having an abundance of light at night was a novelty and a luxury in the past. Definitely toy territory in my book.

Re: Why Toys?

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit skimpy on the details. I highly recommend every American adult to read The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power. It will change the way you think about the world. It also shows how Rockefeller was able to pivot his business from kerosene lamps, which were on the way to obsolescence, to fuel.

Just curious: why only American adults? (I am Australian)

Well, anyone else can read it of course. Just that the history of America as a superpower and the history of oil are pretty well entwined.

Re: Why Toys?

#94
Pretty tired of startupland using this idea as a shibboleth. Eventually, you're going to have to answer the charge of "Silicon Valley is just building a bunch of useless bullshit" with something that actually is not. Moving money from one industry to another doesn't count.

Re: Why Toys?

#95
post #5

One of my favorite pg ideas: "When something is described as a toy, that means it has everything an idea needs except being important. It's cool; users love it; it just doesn't matter. But if you're living in the future and you build something cool that users love, it may matter more than outsiders think." http://www.paulgraham.com/startupideas.html

while working on our startup [1] this is one of the top pg quotes I like. However while talking to our customers we regularly face the "toy" critic as opposed to "feature rich". however approaching it as a toy keeps it simple , though for saas it appears as too simplistic sometimes. [1] we offer games and puzzles as a service to serious marketing clients.

I think it’s about time we turn “feature rich” around and start considering it a criticism rather than a compliment. So many products I’ve loved as a consumer and worked on as a developer were eventually ruined by relentless feature cram and their never being declared “done”.

Re: Why Toys?

#96
It strikes me that SW is a key reason for any shift toward a toy-first mentality. Most of the arguments in the article make sense when a (SW) product can be rapidly iterated. Physical products likely tend to be harder to start too toyish... well, except for when they are toys.

Re: Why Toys?

#97
:-D I'm working on Magnus-effect flying machines right now, starting with toys, for pretty much the reasons in this article.

Re: Why Toys?

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit skimpy on the details. I highly recommend every American adult to read The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power. It will change the way you think about the world. It also shows how Rockefeller was able to pivot his business from kerosene lamps, which were on the way to obsolescence, to fuel.

Just curious: why only American adults? (I am Australian)

Australians don't read, they wrestle crocodiles while drinking beer.

Americans don't read either, though, they are too busy eating sufficient quantities to double their body fat. (I am American)

Re: Why Toys?

#99

Interesting; I'm surprised to see this comparison made, even though in retrospect (thanks to 'ujeezy for pointing it out), I recognize the PG quote about things "described as a toy". The funny thing is; they've drawn a mostly different comparison using the same dichotomy ("toy" vs "serious") that I use for occasional rants on this site. I say mostly different, because here's the intersection: If you give people a too…

This brings me back to a recent conversation on advertising not being informational.

If the makers of $tool also said what their greatest deficiencies were then buyers would be much more able to decide. Instead they're motivated to hide their flaws and make the sale, hoping -- if it's profitable to do so -- to fix those errors/flaws/shortcomings later.

In a slightly related note it grieved me to see the presenters/producers of the SpaceX launch hide the partial failure of landing the core (I swear you can see one of them set up to tell us, then they get a message in their ear). I thought it was a more progressive endeavour - targeting the end goal rather than media gloss.

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