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Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Moore's law is the exception, not the rule. Does Tesla have any sort of public lifetime estimates?

They are touting an "infinite warranty" for the integrity of the tiles (which doesn't include the electronics portion).

Does the warranty include labor?

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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The area is way too small to generate any feasible amount. If I remember correctly you'd only be able to charge 15 miles per day in ideal conditions.

What about solar panels on the roof of a 30 foot RV? To power computer microwave and water heater only.

Then you really don't want to ignore any maximum height signs.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Wait, Wisconsin wants to "give" $4Billion to foxconn? Is that in cash or tax breaks, in which case, are isn't Foxconn really just keeping their money?

Tax breaks are pretty much the same as cash-over-time, come on.

No, you come on. You are not giving me the money in my bank account just because you say I don't have to give it to you.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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Tax breaks are pretty much the same as cash-over-time, come on.

No, you come on. You are not giving me the money in my bank account just because you say I don't have to give it to you.

Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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No, you come on. You are not giving me the money in my bank account just because you say I don't have to give it to you.

Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

There's a substantive difference between being given money vs keeping your own money: one is theft, the other isn't.

If we can't get tax cuts across the board, then I'm all for reducing taxes on whoever we can, however we can.

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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...Solar shingles will cost more than a conventional roof along with photovoltaic panels -- but not “wickedly so,” said Hugh Bromley, a New York-based Bloomberg New Energy Finance analyst. He estimates a Tesla roof would cost about $57,000 for a 2,000-square-foot house

From where I sit that is wickedly more expensive. I had a new composite roof installed 2 years ago for $2,900

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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I'm not a big fan of Elon Musk, but let's not get political. I do however, want to point out Buffalo .. its troubles with Solar City .. and its troubles with Elon Musk. Key (non-disputed / non-political points) - Tesla did not hire local workers, and did not hold up on its end for diversity of work-force - SolarCity received 750$ million in the Billion to Buffalo at a time it hadn't operated at a profit in over 2 yea…

I’m not sure if they can discriminate and just hire locals and eliminate all others Have you ever seen that happen in the US without hearing the word lawsuit?

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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No, you come on. You are not giving me the money in my bank account just because you say I don't have to give it to you.

Dude I'm as libertarian as they come; taxation is theft. But you're doing stupid things with semantics here. The company has more money to operate with; we're just talking about this from a business-operation point of view.

Not good with math I see.

If Foxconn has 10 apples and they decide to move to Wisconsin. When they arrive, Wisconsin decides to NOT take 4 Apples away. How many apples does Foxconn have left?

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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> it hadn't operated at a profit in over 2 years (I believe) And how much of that is a direct result of the fact they are competing against Chinese-made panels that are directly funded by the Chinese government? There is literally no way you can have a discussion about ANY renewable energy without it being political. Either the US is going to protect US industry from Chinese goods being sold below-cost, or we're goin…

I don't dispute that point - however, investment in a company that can't turn a profit by a magnitude of $750 million of our tax dollars and area doesn't seem to be a wise use of dollars. That's really my overarching concern. There's no real benefit to the local economy, so why do it? That's my business mind, not my political mind on what's good or not for the environment. In the end it's tax dollars (rather high at…

Or you can say there are many way worse investments. This is actually a company that demonstrate they can make things work and have a record for deliveries

Re: Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production

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I really love the work that Tesla is doing in this area, and wish them all the luck in the world, but if the estimates in the article are even close ($57K for a Tesla roof, $41K for a tile roof with a small solar panel, $22K for a conventional asphalt roof) it's hard for me to see this being cost effective.

Prices will come down as a result of scale and tech advances. And it has been coming down substantially every year
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