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The Internet I Knew (2014)

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Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#91

my faith is that there will be a revival for this internet just like vinyl. I I dream it will be very based on physical location. Kind of a mix of mastodon with localwiki.

Optimizing for faddishness? Vinyl's been over for years.

And yet, they just keep selling more and more of them, a year after year.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/03/record-sales-v...

https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/vinyl-sales-rose-26-i...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanpassman/2017/01/12/vinyl-...

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/10/04/vinyl-records-sa...

https://thevinylfactory.com/news/vinyl-sales-q3-2017/

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#92
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Optimizing for faddishness? Vinyl's been over for years.

And yet, they just keep selling more and more of them, a year after year. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/03/record-sales-v... https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/vinyl-sales-rose-26-i... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanpassman/2017/01/12/vinyl-... https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/10/04/vinyl-records-sa... https://thevinylfactory.com/news/vinyl-sales-q3-2017/

Didn't say that selling vinyl was over. Every fad gets commercialized some time after it's peaked. In a year or two, no one will remember.

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#93
Hear, hear! My friend group in high school had its own Proboards forum and we spent so much of our free time on there. (And we weren't the only ones, either.) I'd say the split was 60-40 male/female. We talked about everything—political topics, gaming, arts and crafts, literature—and I owe much of my development as a kid to those conversations. It makes me sad that those kinds of half-online, half-offline communities don't seem to be around much anymore. It felt like we owned our own little plot of online land, tended to it, inhabited it. It was nothing like renting some page space on Facebook or standing on a Twitter soapbox.

After reading the delightful chapter on Community Memory in "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution", I've been thinking of ways to get back to this local, more intimate style of online conversation. It seems that with the centralized nature of the web, an abundance of resources leads to the formation of a limited few communication hubs to which everyone gravitates. How easy would it be to create some sort of mesh network hub or beacon that would only let people in a local area connect to each other and create their own decentralized forums or databases? Thinking back on my high school forum experiences, the success of things like Nextdoor, local community events such as UC Bekeley's Anoncon, and even things like Geocaching, I think this could be an incredible paradigm shift for those who are tired of the overwhelming numbers and impersonality of today's "social" web.

It's only the spark of an idea, but few things excite me more than the social possibilities of a publicly-accessible network firmly and intrinsically rooted in a particular physical area!

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#94

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A quest to remain "more interesting" leads to constantly changing platforms, dark patterns, and intrusive notifications. A useful and effective platform enables communication in a reliable and stable way. Thanks for your comments; we are very open to any more specific or detailed feedback on improving the platform.

Mmm, no. I don't think it should be a "quest". That's what Facebook is doing and I've never heard an FB user say they like any change that gets made. I don't have any specific feedback about your platform (heck, I'm building my own social network at the moment), but I will say that your site is VERY text-heavy. I've seen your other comments about the common person not wanting to create a Mastodon instance and while I…

Lyra values language and aims to be an effective tool for large conversations; we're not worried about large amounts of text. We especially don't want to patronise users by hiding or folding up messages which they have taken time to write.

This page provides a concise summary: https://www.hellolyra.com/about?page=how-lyra-works

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#95
post #35

You don't have to use corporate sites like Facebook and Pinterest. Check out scuttlebutt.nz for a serverless alternative, or Mastodon for one where anybody can host a server. Or just stick to forums and IRC.

No, you don't have to. But if everyone you know does, then you have to make a choice. I've had the same "just get on Facebook" experience as the article's author, and it isn't just about "what are we doing this weekend?" It's about human social behavior changing to fit the model implemented by Facebook, because Facebook tries so hard, and so successfully, to be sticky, that eventually everyone is on Facebook. If you'…

I understand where you're coming from, but ultimately it is your decision to stay on Facebook. If you ever want to try something different then try Scuttlebutt. All of your data there is stored in your own blockchain, and then you exchange these blockchains with others. There is no central server or identification authority.

The UI is very much in an alpha state but the SSB protocol is solid, so the blockchain itself will outlive any particular UI version. It might actually be able to scale without having a central authority run it, which gives a glimpse of a future without Facebook.

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#96
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, they just keep selling more and more of them, a year after year. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/03/record-sales-v... https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/vinyl-sales-rose-26-i... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanpassman/2017/01/12/vinyl-... https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/10/04/vinyl-records-sa... https://thevinylfactory.com/news/vinyl-sales-q3-2017/

Didn't say that selling vinyl was over. Every fad gets commercialized some time after it's peaked. In a year or two, no one will remember.

That "in a year or two" seems to be happening since 2007 for the Vinyl industry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_revival

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#97
post #38

I recall being a bit confused about the terms, "social web," and "social network" when they were beginning to be bandied about to discuss Flickr and Facebook et al. The Internet was already a social network. You had irc, nntp, http, ftp, etc etc... communication protocols. For communicating with other humans. The only thing Facebook did, in my experience, was make the web anti-social . I distinctly recall when my gro…

> Most of these web services made quite a lot of interesting innovations and such but I can't help but wonder what the web would've been like if we'd stayed true to its roots and improved the protocols and infrastructure instead of centralizing everything behind walled gardens. In my view, we should let academia develop the protocols, and let companies deliver the basic tools (such as hardware). This makes sure that…

> In my view, we should let academia develop the protocols, and let companies deliver the basic tools (such as hardware). This makes sure that innovation happens in a way that people find useful (not serving advertisement/shareholder goals), and also keeps data out of the hands of companies (because universities will develop federated protocols to keep data safe, and companies actually have no business looking into our data).

And what would you do if companies wanted to develop protocols, and people wanted to use them?

The verb "let" sounds very innocuous here, but this is poorly thought-out at best, and extremely sinister at worst.

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#98
post #2

This description of the old days is actually a fairly accurate description of HN now.

I personally find that threaded discussion substantially worsens the social aspects. When the “best” comments float to the top, any topic turns into soapbox vs. soapbox and actual conversation rapidly breaks down. Social norms are also reinforced and very little change happens in practice.

In a linear discussion, topics don’t die when they reach the width of the page. People can go back and forth on an idea for days or weeks. I believe this property is very important for fostering bonds and maintaining a community spirit. Otherwise, everyone just becomes a collection of their pet ideas.

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#99
post #8

OT: I don't get social networks. Till today, I don't see any value in real name social networks like Facebook. They should present content I want but they don't, they show upvoted content from my connections which is wrong from a consumer and entertainment perspective. My friends like or share mostly content of people because those people are kind of high-profile in their circles. Not because they post good content.…

Also ot, Facebook news feed is pretty terrible and filled with garbage. LinkedIn news feed is just a garbage truck off pointlessnes. I was trying to update my contact list and got so frustrated with the experience, I had a moment: do I need LinkedIn? Nope. Delete account.

Re: The Internet I Knew (2014)

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mmm, no. I don't think it should be a "quest". That's what Facebook is doing and I've never heard an FB user say they like any change that gets made. I don't have any specific feedback about your platform (heck, I'm building my own social network at the moment), but I will say that your site is VERY text-heavy. I've seen your other comments about the common person not wanting to create a Mastodon instance and while I…

Lyra values language and aims to be an effective tool for large conversations; we're not worried about large amounts of text. We especially don't want to patronise users by hiding or folding up messages which they have taken time to write. This page provides a concise summary: https://www.hellolyra.com/about?page=how-lyra-works

Huh? What does making your site less cluttered have to do with patronizing users and/or hiding their messages? Sounds like you're so wrapped up in Lyra land that everything you do is awesome.

I wish you the best of luck.

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