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Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by on_and_off » Fri, Dec 22, 2017, 8:49 PM UTC

rconti wrote: post #56

on_and_off wrote: post #42

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I am curious to see how this gesture based UI will be received. Apple is probably the only company that can push such an UI (with people willing to take the time to learn it) but I have still rarely seen it work for normal users : if a button is not visible; it won't be used. If I were to buy an iPhone X; I would just wait a generation or 2 for this notch to hopefully disappear (also hopefully to have a more resistan…

Where do you think they're gonna put the earpiece or camera if the notch disappears? You're either gonna have the notch, or a taller phone with a huge band of wasted real-estate. I think the notch was the perfect solution. shrug

No, the perfect solution would be to not need a notch.

Since that's not possible right now, only compromises can be achieved.

So you don't have front facing speakers and have a notch in the screen.

Whether you are ok with this is subjective and I am not.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by 33degrees » Fri, Dec 22, 2017, 9:00 PM UTC

jrs95 wrote: post #13

33degrees wrote: post #6

While this may be true, i’m very sceptical about what analysts say regarding apple...

I don't pay much attention to this sort of thing in general, but with how often they're wrong about Apple, it makes me wonder if they're that inaccurate about everything else too

It’s particularly bad with apple because they’re highly successful due to or despite not following common business wisdom, and many analysts seem convinced it’s going to catch up with them any day now

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by rconti » Fri, Dec 22, 2017, 9:21 PM UTC

glhaynes wrote: post #76

rconti wrote: post #46

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Hated every minute of my 7+, happy to have gone back to a sane size with the X. I could see how someone with insanely huge hands, or someone who needs a phone to "make a statement" wouldn't want something smaller, but for most of us, it's great.

someone with insanely huge hands, or someone who needs a phone to "make a statement" Or somebody who prefers a larger screen and finds that to outweigh the drawbacks that come from it... I know lots of people with Plusses and none have particularly large hands and, more often than wanting to "make a statement", they count it as a drawback that it appears so large.

Yes, I have friends who liked the larger phone who (say) commuted on the train and did lots of reading with it. I never found it particularly easier to read on the larger screen, but to each their own. I wasn't trying to malign the phone as just for those looking to stand out, just that I felt there weren't many other advantages -- other than, in the case of the 7, the dual camera system.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by quantumofmalice » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 5:17 AM UTC

The iPhone SE is more than enough phone for 90% of the people out there.

I wish they'd make a smaller version of it.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by alkonaut » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 10:27 AM UTC

maksimum wrote: post #36

alkonaut wrote: post #12

I'm on a 7, and it's nearly no improvement over my 6 (The only feature noticable is the better water sealing). Not looking to upgrade any time soon. And unlike previous generations my last phone is still so good that after a battery change it will be a parent/sibling phone for 2 more years without problem. That means that they are less likely to get a new one too. They can drop their iPhone4S and take my iPhone6, ins…

> There is a point when perf and features give diminishing returns and we are there. Good! I don't understand how someone on hackernews can be excited about the stagnation of innovation... lol

There is a lack of demand for innovation which means we are happy with the technology. I think it’s great. I mean it’s just a smartphone, if I can keep it longer and spend my money on some other innovation that’s cool too.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by IdontRememberIt » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 2:20 PM UTC

So how can we explain that the delivery delay in most countries (apple.com) is very short? And was only a few weeks after the launch? Apple is very strong with financial: I suspect they replaced a decreased volume of sales by a higher margin per product.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by IdontRememberIt » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 2:21 PM UTC

CamelCaseName wrote: post #9

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #7

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Wouldn't that be a clear sign they aren't selling as well as expected?

It could also signal a shift in strategy by Apple to overproduce, or better models that more accurately estimate demand.

The suppliers received reduced quantity orders, so I doubt that.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by rmwaite » Sat, Dec 23, 2017, 5:17 PM UTC

twoodfin wrote: post #43

abakker wrote: post #22

Sample size of 1: the iPhone X is a huge step up from the 6+. FaceID is very nice to use, and the lack of a physical home button improves the ergonomics considerably.

Agree. The biggest surprise to me was how simultaneously novel and polished the gesture/flow interface was from the very beginning.

Also agree. When I pick up my wife's phone to do something I find myself constantly triggering control center because the home gesture is so ingrained.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by jinushaun » Sun, Dec 24, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #12

I'm on a 7, and it's nearly no improvement over my 6 (The only feature noticable is the better water sealing). Not looking to upgrade any time soon. And unlike previous generations my last phone is still so good that after a battery change it will be a parent/sibling phone for 2 more years without problem. That means that they are less likely to get a new one too. They can drop their iPhone4S and take my iPhone6, ins…

The 7 camera is significantly better than the 6 and almost worth the upgrade. But no headphone jack and no physical home button made be regret ever upgrading—I had damaged my 6 beyond repair. :( After my experience with the 7, I'm less enthused about replacing a damaged phone with the latest version.

Re: Apple’s New iPhones Get a Lukewarm Reception from Buyers

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Post by pwinnski » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

byte1918 wrote: post #83

pwinnski wrote: post #54

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It's anecdotal, but given the track record of industry analysts regarding iPhone sales and demand, it's no less solid than the linked article, IMO.

Ok, well, very few of my friends decided to get an X (because of price, some missing features etc.), some even switched to Android. Does me saying this add anything new to the discussion? Not really. I expect ycombinator to be more than just people contradicting each other with anecdotal data.

My "anecdotal" label was not about "my friends," but because I was not willing to provide a very, very, very long list of analysts consistently making incredibly poor estimations of Apple shipping volumes. It's a concrete enough history that I know I'm not alone in having seen it every year, but I don't want to spend the hours providing links to prove it.

Apple does not release shipment or sales numbers mid-quarter, and analysts have repeatedly demonstrated that they consistently misunderstand mid-quarter indicators of shipping/sales volume.

I'm granting the benefit of the doubt there. It's also possible that there's widespread market manipulation or deliberately-false headlines for clickbait, but I'll assume they're just consistently wrong.