Live data from Hacker News

Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

freep.com

91–100 of 219 posts

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#91
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about a place that struggles to have a functional response to murder and fire.

But, it's not just a problem with Detroit. It seems to be an issue everywhere . http://www.endthebacklog.org/ending-backlog/state-responses

I don't know what the problem is other places. Detroit just has the kinda-somewhat-reasonable justification that they're struggling to provide the most basic of services.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#92
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demographically, Detroit is currently over 80% black, perhaps only coincidentally similar to the proportion of untested rape kits. Perhaps. However, Detroit was ~30% white in 1980, 3x what it is today, and untested rape kits surely fed a perception of intractable crime over the intervening years as white flight killed the city.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

Guess What? Those rapes don't proportionally occur in the rest of the county. The vast majority of the rape kits are from Detroit

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#93
post #74
post #39

> You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it,…

This quote is nonsense. As another commenter noted, the 86% of victims being people of color roughly matches the demographics of the city. As Worthy herself notes there are hundreds of thousands untested rape-kits nationwide, affecting predominantly white areas as well. You can see more stats at http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/where-backlog-exists-an... . The fact that the backlog has grown so large in Detroit (…

I'm not sure why consistency with city demographics should matter. Shouldn't it be aligned with the racial demographics of the typical victim?

In Chicago, for instance, 75% of homicide victims are black despite only representing 32% of the population. If a discrepancy that large can exist in homicide data, I'm sure a similar one can be seen for rape in Detroit.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#94
post #66

> Ten thousand rape kits tested. One hundred twenty-seven convictions won, 1,947 cases investigated, 817 serial rapists identified. This is crazy. I wonder how much it costs to test a kit; this could be a very high-utility charitable donation. Looks like there is a charity that is pushing this issue (linked from the OP): http://endthebacklog.org [edited to add, looks like $8,893 per kit, from http://endthebacklog.org…

I think you're misinterpreting the content of that page. the same source says $1000-$1500 per kit http://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/why-backlog-exists I'm not exactly sure what the meaning of the $8000 savings statistic on the page you linked refers to.

Thanks - my bad. That's more like what I would have guessed.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#95
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demographically, Detroit is currently over 80% black, perhaps only coincidentally similar to the proportion of untested rape kits. Perhaps. However, Detroit was ~30% white in 1980, 3x what it is today, and untested rape kits surely fed a perception of intractable crime over the intervening years as white flight killed the city.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#96
post #6

> but because it's sexual assault, for whatever reason, it's very easy for some folks to sweep this under the rug Wow. Just wow. I get that resources are limited and they must prioritize. But to view sexual assault as a low-priority item is just sick.

It tends to be hard to prosecute; regardless of what the results from the kits are many of them won’t go forward. So, if the prosecutor is solely concerned with numbers of convictions, as some are, then they may very well treat this as low priority and concentrate on crimes where conviction is easier.

This isn’t the way it should be, of course, but it’s what can happen given bad incentives.

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#97
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I couldn't readily find the blurb I was looking for, but found an interview that says there are 175k unprocessed rape kits in the US. not to dismiss that entire number (or even much of it), but it's worth noting that many locales will collect anonymous rape kits. but a rape kit without any kind of identifying information on it is of no evidentiary value (you can't establish chain of custody, and you don't have a vi…

What is the purpose of an anonymous rape kit? From your post it sounds like it doesn't really have a purpose to any criminal investigation, but if that's the case why are they even collecting it in the first place?

http://victimsofcrime.org/our-programs/dna-resource-center/u...

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

Why is this being downvoted?

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#99
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that this is a city with a large majority of blacks, and it just so happens to have terrible police. That isn't a contingent circumstance.

Anyone with any money left as soon as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit#/media/File... Since Detroit has a storied history of racism, most of the poor people who have remained are black. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Detroit... The state of public services is bad because there is no money left, not because the place is full of black people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

Everyone with money left well before 1990, the vast majority of white flight took place in the 60s, 70s, and 80s

Edit sp332, lol yes 2/3 of the white population remaining in 1990 left after that, the problem with your line of thinking is 86% of the white population had already fled by 1990. 2/3 of 14% is not much...

Re: Abandoned rape kits identify over 800 serial rapists in one Michigan county

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayne County != Detroit, Detroit might be 80% black, but Wayne County according to what I've read is 40.5% black.

The problem with your line of reasoning is the rapes don't occur across the county at a proportional rate. The vast majority of those rape kits come from Detroit, you should learn a little history

> you should learn a little history

Be polite.

Post reply on HN