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Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by babblefrog »

megablast wrote: post #42
doron wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has only one single carrier in the US, so how many carriers did they exactly change?. Did they start to sell unlocked GSM/CDMA phones to anyone who wanted? As the article states "ban cool apps for no real reason (Google Voice on the iPhone for one), cripple apps to protect business models (Skype on the iPhone) and outright ban data-heavy apps from third parties (Slingbox for the iPhone), all the while promoting…

Maybe you are forgetting what it would be like before Apple? Carriers would regularly disable bluetooth or downloading. You could only get apps from their store. You could only get ringtones from their store. etc... Apple changed all carriers, since they are less locked down. On Android, you can get apps from the google marketplace, not just the carrier store. Ringtones can be had easily.

Nonsense. I had a windows mobile phone, and could do all of those things. In hindsight, windows mobile had a pretty awful user interface, but it wasn't apple that caused those things to happen.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by colinprince »

rottencupcakes wrote: post #40

When did our culture shift to this point that everyone puts their problems on the government? Everyone complains about Apple's closed iPhone ecosystem, then pesters the government to condone jailbreaking and unlocking, which go against the iPhone's terms of service. Comcast is caught throttling bittorent, and instead of switching providers to satellite or Verizon or anything, everything goes to the government and dem…

-1 for trying to influence downvoting and for gratuitous reddit reference.

Let your words stand by themselves.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by vetinari »

markstahler wrote: post #41
etherael wrote: post #19

Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

Google didn't give it to us Canadians. Google seems to treat their international customers like second rate citizens. If my carrier picked up the N1 I would have bought it no question. $530USD is out of the question after exchange duty and taxes. Granted I don't know if this is due to Google or our carriers but all I know is we aren't getting any good Android handesets.

You think 530 USD is bad? If you wanted to buy it in Europe, it was 599 EUR. For comparison, unlocked HTC Desire is being sold for 399 EUR.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by gvb »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #34
etherael wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Points 1 & 2 are what I was referring to when I pointed out that google just doesn't work that way, they're not going to open a plexiglass cube in the local megamall and handhold largely clueless end users via their version of the genius bar, it's simply not in their DNA. I acknowledge that that is in fact apparently an essential part of the path to market success in this arena as evidenced by the sales numbers, but…

handhold largely clueless end users via their version of the genius bar, I think it would be great if google created a "genius bar". I'd call it the "let me just google that for you" bar. Basically, you go to the bar and ask the bartender a question. He types the question into google and then reads you the answer. He might even refer you to the genius bar in the unlikely even that a quick google search doesn't solve…

That is the square box on the right: http://xkcd.com/627/

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by gizmomagico »

ergo98 wrote: post #68
metachor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it is not. The status quo is that no one has yet made any binding decisions, and the telecom operators will try to get away with what they can until the FCC slaps them down. Google just succeeded in getting Verizon to agree to net neutrality on the wired internet in exchange for removing any possibility of net neutrality on the wireless internet (which Google claims is the future of internet).

Google is not the government. Google is just one company . The way people are talking about this you would legitimately think that Google ran the tubes, or something. They don't. Google is at least getting a discussion going.

Google is telling the FCC how they might want to do things precisely because they're just one random company that couldn't possibly influence anything?

Also, they know who you are, Mr. ergo98.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by phob »

pyre wrote: post #80
FlemishBeeCycle wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do we draw the line? At what point is it permissible to suggest that someone should bother to show the slightest bit of interest in a product, technology, or field that they are becoming increasingly dependent on?

There are a lot of people that are dependent on their car, but don't know much more than how to turn the steering wheel and push the gas/brake pedals.

And that's exactly the way it should be.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by eli »

megablast wrote: post #28
etherael wrote: post #19

Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

Did it really try? Did it spend any money on advertising? Did it give the project a chance to succeed? Did it push back at the carriers? Blame the market all you want, but if Google aren't even going to inform the majority, that ain't the markets fault.

Advertising? No, it was just a bad idea.

The full-price Nexus One was hundreds of dollars more than a subsidized phone from your carrier. And since you usually pay the same per month whether you take their subsidy or not, it was not a smart financial decision to buy a Nexus One for the overwhelming majority of customers.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by eli »

aresant wrote: post #21
etherael wrote: post #19

Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

Not cool enough was hardly the problem - count instead: 1 - the phone came with waaaay substandard service - no live customer service, barely service via email 2 - no chance for the wide consumer market to play with the phone or interact with the phone with online sales only 3 - mixed reviews from the professional tech review community So while I agree google made an attempt it felt to me much more like a half assed…

You forgot to mention that for most people it cost $529 to buy versus $149 for a competing smartphone.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by ergo98 »

gizmomagico wrote: post #95
ergo98 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is not the government. Google is just one company . The way people are talking about this you would legitimately think that Google ran the tubes, or something. They don't. Google is at least getting a discussion going.

Google is telling the FCC how they might want to do things precisely because they're just one random company that couldn't possibly influence anything? Also, they know who you are, Mr. ergo98.

>Google is telling the FCC how they might want to do things precisely because they're just one random company that couldn't possibly influence anything?

Just as Verizon tells them how they want to do things. As does Microsoft, and Apple, and every other big tech company.

You grossly overstate Google's significance.

Re: Why Google Became A Carrier-Humping, Net Neutrality Surrender Monkey

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Post by ricardo »

etherael wrote: post #19

Google gave the market the option to go for a completely open environment with the Nexus One, and in the words of this wired article what did it get in return? "Not cool enough." The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else. Making all these po…

"The phone is brilliant, but the market went elsewhere with it's carrier locked subsidised junk models. That's just a market reality, like it or not. Google tried to "do the right thing" and the market went somewhere else."

Carrier locked, subsidized junk models are the norm, not the exception. Google tried to take that in a direction similar to what Apple did with the iPhone but without the same effort behind that. To say that the market shifted away from that ignores the way cell phones have always been sold in the US.

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