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The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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Re: The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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OK, so after a few pages of unnecessary history, the story is that Google bought the .dev TLD and uses it only for internal purposes.

Thanks Chrome. I use .dev quite a lot. Looks like I'll be using FFox for development from here on, until they also decide to usurp their position! And then I'll just use lynx. Of course, I could change my ways and start using a different naming system: I notice a lot of development shops using .local , albeit for same machine dev & testing. Edit: lol. tried to use 'star'.dev, but it came out in italics!

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Re: The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone is allowed to buy any gTLD for any use. As a result, Google was allowed to buy .dev. They then chose to use it for internal use only. Unfortunately, the time to oppose this was long ago when gTLDs were first being debated...

So I'm not allowed to disagree with something just because it happened a while ago? I was against it then because of exactly this kind of thing happening. My opinion hasn't changed. But, I guess it should because you say so right? I see this kind of attitude a lot when it comes to technology "Oh it's already happened just accept it" Or "It's the way everything is so just go along with it" I'm getting fairly sick of b…

Of course you're allowed to disagree! Without exception, any person is allowed to disagree with any thing at any time. It's a basic human right.

Whether or not that disagreement can be reasonably expected to have meaningful impact on what many others regard as a decision long made is a different question, and the one to which I was speaking.

Re: The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone is allowed to buy any gTLD for any use. As a result, Google was allowed to buy .dev. They then chose to use it for internal use only. Unfortunately, the time to oppose this was long ago when gTLDs were first being debated...

That someone wasn't aware, or involved in a process doesn't make their opinion invalid. I would like to add that clearly, those that was involved in the process have made a less than perfect decision in allowing .dev to be bought by anyone. It's been in widespread - informal - use for decades, and the decision to allow it to be sold has now directly affected multiple third parties negatively. If one assumes the peopl…

Being unaware of or uninvolved in a process does not in any way, shape, form, or manner render any person's opinion invalid. I apologize deeply and sincerely from the bottom of my soul for even accidentally creating a situation where such a thing could be interpreted from my words.

With all that said, whether or not one can have a reasonable expectation that one's perfectly valid opinion might have any impact on what many in the outside world regard as a settled matter is perhaps upon occasion a more subtle and complex question.

Re: The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That someone wasn't aware, or involved in a process doesn't make their opinion invalid. I would like to add that clearly, those that was involved in the process have made a less than perfect decision in allowing .dev to be bought by anyone. It's been in widespread - informal - use for decades, and the decision to allow it to be sold has now directly affected multiple third parties negatively. If one assumes the peopl…

Being unaware of or uninvolved in a process does not in any way, shape, form, or manner render any person's opinion invalid. I apologize deeply and sincerely from the bottom of my soul for even accidentally creating a situation where such a thing could be interpreted from my words. With all that said, whether or not one can have a reasonable expectation that one's perfectly valid opinion might have any impact on what…

I appreciate the apology. I have zero expectation on my opinion affecting anything in the world. I'd still like to express it. I don't know the internet is a fairly important thing to me. Being able to freely access anything I wanted really helped me get through a lot of things. I never would have learned a good chunk of the things I know now without it and it's a tool that goes vastly unappreciated by a large majority of the people that rely on it every day. At the same time, large companies slowly take over and lock away large pieces of it or provide it through a narrow lense of whatever they see fit. It makes me sad. So much of the future I used to envision when I was young seems to have been usurped by people who don't understand technology beyond a means to make money. The amount of money spent each day towards nothing more than making more money using technology is fucking ridiculous. Just imagine a world that could be if that money was spent bettering humanity. This decision was not made to better humanity, it detrimented a good number of people working on a huge number of things to benefit a closed group of people beholden to stakeholders.

Every day I read comments, articles and opinion pieces making excuses for companies, entities and individuals stifling innovation for profit and closed environments. The spirit allowing all this technology and innovation to be created seems to be gone and replaced with the same culture of acceptance and worship you find in religions. Technology is supposed to be about benefitting humanity as a whole not private companies.

I don't give a shit how much money a compay has spent on research or investing in whatever. Any company that is large enough to have that kind of impact on the world has only gotten there from money contributed by billions of people around the world. If a company is big enough to have the same kind of influence, or more, on the world as a government they are no different. This world is shifting to some kind of corporate power structure. The largest companies in the world have more power and influence than many nations. These are not private individuals. Whether we like it or not, technology companies, food producers, weapons manufacturers, drug companies, media companies and any other companies that have enough money to buy governments are now the monarchs of this world. Accepting their control over the technology that allows us the small freedoms we have left means we fully accept our new fate as serfs in our modern technolgical oligarchy.

Fuck that. The only freedoms I've had in life come from the internet. The freedom to learn anything I want to communicate anything with anyone I want.

Computers in general. They provide an equalizing power the likes of which have never been seen in history. Every day companies find new ways to lock down or abstract away this technology in the name of security.

If someone doesn't disagree future generations may not know the freedom that comes with being able to host their own platform for data exchange or running code through a compiler and watching something they created come to life. This is something the common man has not had access to throughout most of history. Knowledge, freedom of expression and access to creative tools, were things reserved for the wealthy or those in power. This is a small window in history when commoners have access to the same technology and power of expression as the rich. They are slowly taking this away and no one will notice until it's gone and we're right back where we've been though the rest of history.

Re: The days of .dev domains for testing code are over

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> If you're objecting to this now, not back when the program was being formed, you clearly handled this poorly by not being involved in something you care about. > If you don't care and weren't involved, you also don't have the full picture and your outrage very well might be misplaced. That's an unhelpful and unreasonable response. You shouldn't blame people for not being attuned to the activities an obscure bureauc…

You can't un-delegate TLDs once they've been delegated. That breaks the Internet. The creation of a TLD is thus irreversible, and deleting a TLD would cause a lot more harm than it would prevent. What you can do is transfer the TLD to a different operator, and/or change its registration policies, though all of the existing domains on the TLD need to remain with their existing owners, as domain names are legally treat…

> as domain names are legally treated as property and cannot be confiscated except through due process (like a court seizure following a ruling on illegal activities).

That's just current convention, though. If better governance means being less private-property absolutism, I'm for it. ICANN or whoever could just update the terms of their contract to allow revocation of the TLD (with a refund), if there's too much weeping and gnashing of teeth over it's issuance. People would just need to understand domains on a new TLD aren't going to be as ironclad as ones on more established TLDs.

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