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> Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. This is the thing where I am not sure of, and this is the problem. You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise? Who can guarantee that Trump will not again cooperate with the Russians in order to get reelected? Or for what its worth who can…

>You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise? 1) He hasn't in over a year of office. 2) He can't do anything that overrides the judicial and legislative branches. Which is why ALL of his major plans go no where. No Muslim ban. No reproductive rights changes. Nothing. 3) If she commits crimes, why should she be above jail time? Shouldn't everyone who major co…

> He can't do anything that overrides the judicial and legislative branches.

For now, they hold. Trump has (more or less) silently nominated huge numbers of federal judges (http://www.businessinsider.de/trump-judges-attorneys-nominat...). Once these go through, or a SC judge dies/retires, these are lifetime positions and will shape US justice for decades.

> 3) If she commits crimes, why should she be above jail time? Shoudln't everyone who major commits crimes be in jail? Trump, Hillary, what's the difference? A crime is a crime--regardless of whether you like that candidate.

"Three felonies a day" and "selective enforcement" are the key points here. Of course it's fine if Hillary really did commit a crime by mishandling her emails - but if his inner circle gets off free for the same offense (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/private-email...), it's not fair any more.

> Even when you have a "Bad president" the rest of the country keeps ticking along fine because the other branches are designed from the ground up to prevent dictators of all types.

The Electoral College was designed to keep a unfit person from office, and Trump with his many failures (from bankruptcies over countless accusations of sexual misconduct, some even confessed by himself, to being in collusion with the Russians and the simple fact that many professionals regard him as mentally unfit) still passed. I do not place trust in a system that has been rotting since decades.

> So you basically just want to burn the country to the ground because "your candidate" didn't win.

Burning the country to the ground is what Trump and his destructionist friends (the Bannon circle) are right in the middle of doing! By defunding critical parts of the state, they're eroding public service and thus the trust of the population in the government!

> You think when you destabilize the most powerful country in the world, that nobody else in the world is going to try and swoop into that power vacuum?

This is the thing that scares me: A President obviously unfit for office and chaos across the world - including, to come back to the original topic, Romania and many other Eastern European countries. A competent president would be literally doing everything to keep the US in influence and the Russians in check - Trump is embroiled in so many scandals that Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-Un have free rein.

And, maybe a bit funny because I identify as far-left, but what Putin has been doing in (Eastern) Europe (not just invading Ukraine, but also supporting right-wing and pro-Russian parties in France, Germany, Poland or Hungary) is really scaring me. Putin is dangerous, Europe is way too far split to be any kind of opposition and the US cannot be relied upon any more. Not really nice prospects.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#92
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> Occupy and anti-Trump protestors should study and learn how that works. You see to have effective peaceful protests, there has to be a credible threat of extreme and overwhelming violence that will follow unless the government listens. Government should be afraid of the people. This is why the Civil Rights movement was successful (To a point). On the one hand, you had MLK preaching peace, and on the other hand, you…

I’d love for those downvoting you to join in on the debate. I’m less familiar with Ghandi but what you say about Malcom X and MLK is consistent with what I know about the situation.

I downvoted your parent comment for misspelling Gandhi[0] (as Ghandi, which they corrected now, well after my comment, without calling it out); doesn't go well with the confident assertion about why the British left India.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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> But that's no justification for putting on masks and beating up random people. Nor is it an excuse for encouraging others to do the same. The problem is, until those in powers are not afraid that their bodies will literally be dragged through the streets, they have no incentive to not do anything they need to stay in power. And the more authoritarian the rule of those in power is, the greater the desire of those no…

The people in power have to fear losing elections. The system was specifically designed so the masses can force change without violence. Supporting terrorism to override that system is awful, regardless of how you feel about capitalism.

>The system was specifically designed so the masses can force change without violence.

It was also specifically stated by the system architects that their safeguards would inevitably become null.

With that being said, I do not advocate such violent measures. The strategies of Dr. King seem to me to be more effective than violence when dealing with an enemy which has a monopoly on violence.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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The people in power have to fear losing elections. The system was specifically designed so the masses can force change without violence. Supporting terrorism to override that system is awful, regardless of how you feel about capitalism.

> The system was specifically designed so the masses can force change without violence. Point is, you need masses. Masses that are interested in politics, and actually have the time to be interested in politics! If I would have to work two (or more) jobs to get by certainly politics were solid bottom of my priority list. Democracy needs an electorate that is interested in democracy or it will get owned by a minority…

since you seem to be replying to everyone else can you please reply to my comment as well? I'm curious where the downvotes come from but no one is addressing me...

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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I was joking before and said that it is inevitable that Facebook, Google and Twitter will eventually sell SaaS (Silencing as a Service). But maybe it wasn't a joke after all... It is simply too tempting to not do it. They have information which the Stasis and KGBs of the past would kill for. One thing Romanian government should be careful with is not listening to protesters. That is at least one country where they ha…

> Occupy and anti-Trump protestors should study and learn how that works. You see to have effective peaceful protests, there has to be a credible threat of extreme and overwhelming violence that will follow unless the government listens. Government should be afraid of the people. Please don't encourage violence. The anti-Trumpers aren't fighting corruption, they're fighting democracy and their fellow citizens. Note t…

I don't want violence, and getting things done by voting is obviously much better, but for protests to work I think there has to be a threat of impending violence. A bit like how the nuclear deterrence works but on a smaller scale. I think the idea that the government should be afraid of its people is not a strange idea in his country. Now let's think when is the last time that happened?

I am thinking during the Vietnam War protests or Civil Right Movement. I have heard that one reason MLK's protests worked is because there was a credible threat from Malcom X and Nation of Islam, which encouraged gun ownership and self defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballot_or_the_Bullet

Yielding and accepting MLK's ideas was only possible as a compromise to preventing a more violent outcome from other groups.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#98
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But then it didn't fail because the version that was implemented started off with oligarchs we have been slowly moving in the right direction

That’s what they teach in the classrooms you faithfully attended. Gotta love the raptured eyes of the pupils, so alike those wondering about the virtues of Stalinism...

The ex-Soviets I've talked to about this pretty unanimously relate that they were raised to think the USSR was the best country on earth, just like we are in the US. They also tend to agree that life here is way, way better. In other words, just because we both had to recite a Pledge of Allegiance every morning doesn't mean we both had exile, mass murder, man-made famines, etc., on the same scale.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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It's probably just an algorithm misfiring. I don't like the censorship approach to combat miss information, I think the problem is digitising social interactions without including the social safeguard dynamics. What I mean is, the problem is not the malicious information but the lack of accountability for those who introduce the fake information. In a real life, if someone starts a false rumour, although the virility…

LOL, 2 posts about this on HN top!? really!?

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#100

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> Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. This is the thing where I am not sure of, and this is the problem. You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise? Who can guarantee that Trump will not again cooperate with the Russians in order to get reelected? Or for what its worth who can…

>You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise? 1) He hasn't in over a year of office. 2) He can't do anything that overrides the judicial and legislative branches. Which is why ALL of his major plans go no where. No Muslim ban. No reproductive rights changes. Nothing. 3) If she commits crimes, why should she be above jail time? Shouldn't everyone who major co…

> 2) He can't do anything that overrides the judicial and legislative branches. Which is why ALL of his major plans go no where ... No reproductive rights changes

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2017/07/laws-affecting-re...

There have been plenty of changes. They may not have occurred on the Federal level, but at the state level, plenty of things have changed. Both of which are empowered in both positive and negative directions (I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which is which) by this administration.

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