Earlier quoted context omitted.
The part the I think was closest to the truth is that the Midwest does not have a strong collective culture like the East, South, West, or Southwest. They are much more likely to identify as part of their state or city more than the Midwest as a whole.
Part of it's the size of the area in which the inhabitants consider themselves Midwestern, and the lack of unifying landforms (a mountain range, an ocean) to give them common experiences, I think. For instance, it seems like when the Midwestern region comes up[0], people usual mean the upper midwest and especially the Lakes states, which is weird to me as someone who's lived in Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa, b…
On Being Midwestern: The Burden of Normality
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#92An observation ... just the fact that many here treat the "midwest" as one place in their comments speaks of maybe misunderstanding/ignorance or even arrogance. As a person who has lived in Wisconsin (suburban and rural), Minnesota (urban and suburban), and Chicago, there is an absolutely astounding difference in people, attitude, and culture in all 3 areas. Granted none are really like the east or west coasts, but t…
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#93I grew up in the Midwest and moved to Silicon Valley. I think that people here don't understand what this author describes as "Midwestern history is a study in racial quarantine." I would go as far as to say that racial is the wrong word to describe what happens in the Midwest. I think that communities in the Midwest have tighter cultural restrictions on what it means to be "one of us." This can be affected by where…
I'm an ex-midwesterner living in Seattle. The midwest is not a place where you really strike it rich. It's a place where you have a shot of having a good family arrangement. You can easily surround yourself with relatives, and other folks like you. You're rarely forced into considering other points of view. There's a really strong sense of "being in your place" there, in many ways. I think the folks with a genuine cu…
In a wider context you are probably correct, but it's worth pointing out that the urban areas in the South are pretty damn progressive.
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#94I grew up in the Midwest and moved to Silicon Valley. I think that people here don't understand what this author describes as "Midwestern history is a study in racial quarantine." I would go as far as to say that racial is the wrong word to describe what happens in the Midwest. I think that communities in the Midwest have tighter cultural restrictions on what it means to be "one of us." This can be affected by where…
My first thought is how we need to start developing a better working vocabulary around having racist attitudes. Like the big-R Racist is the white power asshole who wants to create a white ethnostate--that's one that's easy to spot, and most of us can say we're not that. The real pernicious damage to communities of color comes from the little-r racism that SO SO MANY people carry around totally unthinkingly. Like eve…
The concept of racism I tend to use, is "race-based discrimination" in the sense that you don't give individuals a chance when they're of certain races, and treat them badly without knowing who they are personally. I don't really think it's wrong to discriminate based on the acts or cultures of people, and if a group of people (such a race or an ethnicity) share both a culture and behaviors, and a phenotype, I think it's totally fine to be wary of that phenotype. I strongly disagree with any notion of discrimination that tries to redefine it as being centered around a power differential.
In the end, most forms of discrimination are heuristics, and heuristics are very important tools for people, they need them to be able to think and to act.
I also don't really think racism is bad in the context of groups. Doesn't it make perfect sense for minorities to choose to support "their people" more? Like mostly buying at shops run by "their people"? Why doesn't the majority get to do this? Doesn't the majority have a right to existence and self-determination like the minorities do?
And why would it be such a terrible solution to give the minorities their own land? Some who advocate for ethostates also advocate for ethnostates for the minorities; to me that doesn't look like they hate the minorities, because they want the same faith for them as for themselves. Of course there exist people who advocate for genocide (on both sides... it's not just the majority interest groups), but are they a majority in any meaningful way, and are they really that effective and relevant?
Edit: I'm not allowed to append this to my post apparently, maybe this will work: https://pastebin.com/zMtADVVr
Re: On Being Midwestern: The Burden of Normality
#95I grew up in the Midwest and moved to Silicon Valley. I think that people here don't understand what this author describes as "Midwestern history is a study in racial quarantine." I would go as far as to say that racial is the wrong word to describe what happens in the Midwest. I think that communities in the Midwest have tighter cultural restrictions on what it means to be "one of us." This can be affected by where…
There are reasons homogeneous communities form in the U.S. A few of those reasons have to do with city planning and legislation. City planning can be racist in nature and promote exclusionary communities. Redlining, while not typically state legislation, is a good example of practices that contributed to the formation of primarily white communities.
You mention people making distinctions based on where you go to work, where your kids go to school, what kind of car you drive, how you dress, etc.. If I'm black and couldn't afford college for various reasons, I'm going to have a hard time getting a job that would allow me to buy the kind of car, dress in the clothes, send my kid to the schools, buy a house where the other people who had a _systematically_ easier go at life would.
My point is; When people think of those who are in and outside of their community there is latent racism. Why can't we treat people from outside our community as the same as people inside? If we better understand and critique what a community is and how it forms I think it's possible.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
What things are happening in the Midwest that you consider overt racism?
Uh, people privately making derogatory remarks based on race? Lots of times. Maybe I have poor taste in casual acquaintances or something.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you make an interesting observation about how communities are structured here, but there is also plenty of overt (though quiet) racism.
What things are happening in the Midwest that you consider overt racism?
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Part of it's the size of the area in which the inhabitants consider themselves Midwestern, and the lack of unifying landforms (a mountain range, an ocean) to give them common experiences, I think. For instance, it seems like when the Midwestern region comes up[0], people usual mean the upper midwest and especially the Lakes states, which is weird to me as someone who's lived in Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa, b…
Being from central Kansas, I always say I'm from the great plains. Lumping the prairie into it's own group always seemed useful to me.
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#99I grew up in the Midwest and moved to Silicon Valley. I think that people here don't understand what this author describes as "Midwestern history is a study in racial quarantine." I would go as far as to say that racial is the wrong word to describe what happens in the Midwest. I think that communities in the Midwest have tighter cultural restrictions on what it means to be "one of us." This can be affected by where…
> I think that communities in the Midwest have tighter cultural restrictions on what it means to be "one of us."
The genetic basis for delineating "races" is sketchy at best. The cultural aspects are as important as skin color to the definition of race, which is why either the first or second definition of "race" in any reasonable dictionary refers to all these things aside from "melanin content".
So at some point, segregating oneself from people who worship differently, go to different schools, play different sports, ... -- especially in communities where many of these divisions are inspired by geography distributions that were intentionally created along racial lines less than a century ago -- is more than just "unhappy coincidence".
But let's set that aside for a moment and take your assertion as fact.
> This puts the Midwest in a really hard place because just about any white person can claim (truthfully) they are not being racist. Yet, the outcome of the collective actions of all of them end up with a pretty strong divide that is mostly along racial lines.
Indeed. Sometimes, the consequences of aggregate social behavior are more important than individual intent. (Actually, I'd argue almost always.)
A community in which wealth is disproportionately divided along racial lines is a racist community, even if no one in that community harbors individual and purely racially motivated prejudice.
> Does anyone have suggestions on how to fix this?
Teach people how to think dispassionately about systems.
I'm not sure that there is a way to fix this without switching from a "nominally typed" definition of racism to a "structurally typed" definition of racism.
Such a definition already exists. And by happy coincidence, the programming analogy works especially well because this notion is already called "structural racism".
> So it seems like it is an impossible situation.
At least for the current generation, for whom anything short of direct and violent prejudice on the basis of a few phenotypes is the only thinkable definition of racism, and for whom "racist" is a stinging moral and personal indict rather than a statement of fact about an emergent phenomenon that may or may not have anything to do with the content of any particular individual's character.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you make an interesting observation about how communities are structured here, but there is also plenty of overt (though quiet) racism.
What things are happening in the Midwest that you consider overt racism?
Here is the SPLC's interactive map of 'hate groups' in operation. Though the density seems, to my eyes, correlate strongly with population, there are still a fair few assholes out here.