As epidemic rages, ER study finds opioids no better than Advil and Tylenol

People don't even like to call it a drug, which severely bothers me to be honest. I've tried some things and alcohol, from my perspective, is one of the more dangerous drugs around

It might have once been expensive ("Imitrex" (R)(TM)) but there is a generic now. I understand there are also non-pill delivery systems, like nasal or patches, and other permutations that may still be under patent. The pills seem to work for me.

I was about ready to chime in the same thing. I've been on opiods for six years (not by simple choice). I'm also on a literal 15 other medicines. I take around 30+ pills a day I've had multiple back surguries. I've got on average 3 doctor visits a month (those co-pays add up fast!)... for six years. And this all started in my prime... at 25 years old where I went from starting a Ph.D program... to fighting with every ounce of my strength and mental fortitude to keep from being homeless.

I'm not sitting around, popping pills to get high. And, you can't magically get addicted to opoids if you never take increasing doses (read: follow the prescription). The longer you take them, the high rapidly goes away (drug addicts "chase" it by increasing doses) while the pain relief stays usable for a _much much_ longer period.

After six years, I've gone down on dosages slowly. The relief works fine. And I get zero high. It's like taking a Tylenol for me except it actually helps my pain.

Meanwhile, for 6 to 9 months when I lost my insurance I was stuck with over the counter medicine. I destroyed my gastrointestinal tract and almost my kidneys, just trying to take enough medicine to not commit suicide from the pain.

Are opoids being over perscribed? Yes. duh.

Does treating anyone who takes opoids into an addict, help anyone? NO.

People need to get off their high horses (ha, pun.) and realize pills are pills. You can argue for reduced perscriptions but the second you start villifing actual patients by telling them "you're pain isn't real. just take some Tylenol" you're now apart of the problem. You're not stopping a single person from getting high. You're just helping oppress people who are already so !@$!@ed up that they barely have the energy to keep going, let alone defend themselves from the public's armchair warrior researched lynching.

I've moved plenty of times. I've seen literally dozens of doctors. And almost every single one of them agreed with my diagnosis that I should be on this medicine. What makes you think reading a bloody internet magazine article about a single study makes you think you know better than the doctors who are trying to save my life?

So while yes, I think most people here are more reluctant to be as judgey--and I thank you for it--there are still plenty of people abusing sources to make their soap box point. They think opiods are automatically evil. They're not. They're the "right tool for the right job." end of story. And just because one research study says they're not useful for specific scenario, doesn't mean all scenarios are some secret conspiracy to get healthy people high.

I don't "want" to be an ANY of these medicines. Every single one is a potential liability. I have to keep them with me when I go places. I have to keep them safe from thieves (!!!) at home. I have to monitor how many each I take a day. At 25 years old, I had two 7 day pill counters just a 85 year old man. We don't _want_ to be on these medicines and deal with their side-effects upon side-effects. We're taking them because we have to and the other option is to simply roll over and die.

So forgive me if I sound emotional, when literally one of the tools that keep me alive, is being threatened by both conservative and democrats looking to grandstand to their constituents while nobody actually does anything to stop the abuser.

You can't imagine what it's like when you see someones face (nurse, doctor, police officer) completely change and withdraw the second they find out you're on an opoid. It's unreal. The entire room "goes cold." I dare you to try telling someone that. They stop talking to you and talk _at_ you. I've literally had a cop lie on a police report when he found out I take a medicine that I'm 100% legally prescribed. I've had receptionists not forward my calls to the doctor. I've had people scout out and follow me home.

All because I chose to put a pill in my mouth that a doctor told me to.

I could write an entire book on this stuff by now. I've considered building a YouTube channel about it. As a scientist, I can tell you, it's like walking into another world.

OTC standard dose for regular strength Tylenol is 1-2 capsules x 325mg. They are giving the patients 1000mg or the equivalent of two extra strength pills (500mg). While both are 'standard' doses, I think the poster's point is that they're comparing 'regular strength' opiates (5mg of oxy/hydrocodone) with extra strength acetaminophen (1000mg acetaminophen). If they wanted a proper comparison, they should compare 7.5 or 10mg of oxy/hydrocodone with 1000mg of acetaminophen. Also, because the oxy/hydrocodone pills they test also contain acetaminophen you'd think they'd test the efficacy of oxy/hydrocodone by themselves as well, but apparently that didn't cross their minds. It definitely looks to me like the combinations tested were chosen so as to get a predetermined result.

Took morphine for a back injury, I just got sleepy but still had the pain.

Took Percocet after a shoulder surgery, I just slept through the pain. I also understand now why people get addicted.

I get raging migraines, Excedrine is the only thing that works for that.

True story, when my daughter was in the hospital (cancer) we overheard a nurse and doctor discussing what to give a child (also with cancer) for tooth pain... "morphine". The nurse was like "for a tooth? can't we tell the mother to give him Tylenol?"

Also, true story Tylenol is not "formulaic" (I may be saying that wrong) at many hospitals. Meaning THEY DON'T KEEP IT IN THE PHARMACY (the one that fills orders for internal use). I was very surprised to learn this.