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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by spaceseaman »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #72
alsetmusic wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd appreciate it if you'd remove your comment since I tried to back out immediately from that line of conversation. Would you mind agreeing? Two days ago, I saw you post something asinine and I tried to respond. You deleted your comment before I could hit the reply button, and I lost the opportunity to quote and refute you. If this is a recurring problem (that you change your mind about statements on a public foru…

If I delete my comment and you can't respond, that's a feature, not a bug. This kind of comment is best left to an email. The reason I backed out of this subthread is very simple: the first few replies were vaguely insinuating I might somehow be sympathetic to neonazis. That was enough for me to hit the "forget this" button.

> the first few replies were vaguely insinuating I might somehow be sympathetic to neonazis.

Please stop being so defensive. People dog-piled on you because they thought you said something dumb. They're not being "hateful" or "violent". Those words have meanings, and their meanings are actually directly related to why Reddit banned those subreddits. If you can't tell the difference between me saying "Yo your opinion is dumb and here's why" and "You're black you need to leave" then just wow, you may need to take a step away from the Internet for awhile.

I brought up Neo-Nazis and the Alt-Right because they were the main ones affected by the Reddit bans and your comment did not do enough to distance whatever you were talking about from them. Also, the Alt-Right had a large overlap with the subreddits you do seem to be talking about.

If you want to have a conversation about such a thing, I'm happy to engage over private message. But you bringing it up was so tangental, so unrelated, and so odd that I could not resist calling you out on it.

But again, it was just so out of place in a discussion where people are talking about the opioid crisis. The argument you're trying to make is horribly tangental and out of place.

To be especially frank: people are reacting to you so negatively because your comments are completely unrelated and showed an intense desire to discuss the subreddit bans. When we called you out on this, you got extraordinarily defensive and realized the conversation wasn't going to go your way. So you backed down. Welcome to intellectual discourse. If you don't feel confident defending your opinions in such a space...well maybe they're not opinions that you can defend very well.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#92

Post by fe2ijwe99 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #60
Frondo wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a violent reaction. "We need to kick you out of the country" is a violent reaction. "What are you talking about this is dumb" is not a violent reaction. You shared your ideas, they obviously weren't taken as good ideas by the group here, and people told you so. No one called for violence against you, no one called you names (as far as I can tell), just no one agreed with you , and maybe a liiiiittle disco…

It was violent in the sense of a chemical reaction. It also violently curtailed any chance of intellectual conversation. For that, I regret saying anything. I'm not upset about mere disagreement. I'm upset that I was searching openly and honestly for an answer to this crisis that affects all of us, and in exchange I was labeled a neonazi sympathizer. On HN of all places. The conversation shouldn't be about me and my…

I think your own post curtailed any chance of intellectual conversation, and you're taking it out on other posters.

And you've posted you figured it would go like this.

Take the hint you are giving yourself: best re-consider what it is you're about to post, given your past experiences.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by BenchRouter »

jstarfish wrote: post #83
TaylorGood wrote: post #51

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Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

> Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. Drugs have always be…

> Historically it was just cut with OTCs or detritus, which was a problem that could be solved in most cases by simply doing more.

Well, until you get a more pure batch and you try to do the same amount you do with the dilute batch.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by QuercusMax »

beefsack wrote: post #89

There are many places around the world called Richmond, and even if we assume it's in the US there are still 16 places called Richmond[1]. I wish people were more specific, particularly when reaching an international audience without an innate understanding of places in the US. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond

It appears this is Richmond, VA.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by sevenfive »

beefsack wrote: post #89

There are many places around the world called Richmond, and even if we assume it's in the US there are still 16 places called Richmond[1]. I wish people were more specific, particularly when reaching an international audience without an innate understanding of places in the US. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond

Richmond, VA is the biggest and most important Richmond. Anyone who has heard of Richmond, VA will likely assume that is the Richmond being referenced. Anyone who hasn't heard of Richmond, VA gains no additional understanding from knowing which state it's in.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by jstarfish »

matwood wrote: post #80
TaylorGood wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

I can see how people move to something like heroin after being on pain meds and getting addicted, but who really just 'tries' heroin? At this point, the mix danger and addiction danger is well known and publicized. I'm asking, because I cannot mentally put it together, particularly if someone has life going in the right direction.

Chronic pain escalation, sure, but also: kids.

I've come to realize that the concept of gateway drugs is bullshit. Kids are going to try whatever they have available. If heroin suddenly enters the scene, then heroin is what they're going to try. Same thing for meth.

Also, it's a different sort of high. When you want to get drunk, you drink. When you want to feel stupid, you smoke weed. But when you just want to feel like everything is beautiful and nothing is wrong, you try opiates (or amphetamines).

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by narrator »

TaylorGood wrote: post #51
nathancahill wrote: post #12

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Yep. My uncle died from an OD earlier this year. Drugs cut with fentanyl. It's truly a terrible epidemic.

Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

Yeah, people think they're too good to have a problem with this stuff, but there's a real physical damage going on that is not something that one can shake off.

I lost a relative to drug abuse. I think one of the reasons they got into it was she they were very intolerant to boredom and just scoffed at everything. Nothing was serious, everything got a do over.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by BenchRouter »

matwood wrote: post #80
TaylorGood wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

I can see how people move to something like heroin after being on pain meds and getting addicted, but who really just 'tries' heroin? At this point, the mix danger and addiction danger is well known and publicized. I'm asking, because I cannot mentally put it together, particularly if someone has life going in the right direction.

It's also worth noting that you can smoke heroin, which probably requires a significantly lower mental barrier to cross.

And once you're in the throes of addiction from smoking it, I'm guessing injection seems less and less objectionable.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by fe2ijwe99 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #69
gooseus wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I invite you to post the best example of this incel subculture. These are the guys who were elevating Elliot Roger (UCSB killer) to hero status, no?

The subthread wasn't about that, though. It was about the fact that they might turn to drugs because their group is now banned. That's a weak hypothesis not supported by evidence, so it was stupid to bring it up. But given their situation, it didn't seem too far from the truth.

You might be better off going outside, and advocating for better mental health services instead of trying to create a strawman about how shutting web forums kills people.

Anyone that gets on drugs b/c their forum is shutoff/blocked has deeper addiction problems. And sitting on Reddit all day being angry isn't helping. It's just avoiding the underlying problem.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

#100

Post by icantdrive55 »

TaylorGood wrote: post #51
nathancahill wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. My uncle died from an OD earlier this year. Drugs cut with fentanyl. It's truly a terrible epidemic.

Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days. A friend I grew up wit…

I do wonder how fentynl is getting in, or is it being made here?

If a chemist is reading this, I would love your imput. I was under the assumption fentynl complicated to produce.

That said, my wish is the government would provide generic bupenorpine to any person that wants the drug. It needs to be easily available to anyone. No b.s., just give out the drug. Save all the drama. Give them a long half life drug that will get them off the hard stuff. Let them taper off the bupenorpine when they see fit.

Now--they will say the addict needs counseling, nalaxone, and blah, blah, blah.

Just give out generous bupenorpine. It has a long half life, and you have to be determined to overdose on it.

I will be shocked if anything is done for most addicts.

Hell--when my psychiatrist retires, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I'm on two very controlled substances, and so tired of hearing the experts opinion, and their outlandish prices.

So yes, we will see commercials, etc., but just give out bupenorpine. Most addicts don't need extensive counseling--I believe. They are just afraid of widhdrawls. Withdrawals that might be less severe than they imagine?

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