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Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by chiaro »

peeters wrote: post #34
charred_toast wrote: post #19

Can we acknowledge we live in a dystopian era yet? What further has to happen?

If we're in a dystopian era, that must be in comparison to something. What era was, on the balance of factors, better than today?

In terms of sentiment, this came out yesterday:

>More than half of Americans (59 percent) said they consider this the lowest point in U.S. history that they can remember — a figure spanning every generation, including those who lived through World War II and Vietnam, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/11/lowest-point...

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by ZoeZoeBee »

Larrikin wrote: post #89
rgbrenner wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The electoral college is not obsolete. 50% of the US population lives in 10 states. Don't you think the other 40 states would like a say too? Or do you (mistakenly) believe the concerns of urban citizens are identical to those living in rural areas?

Why should their vote matter more because they have decided to live in an unpopular location?

Because we live in a Federated Republic of States not a direct Democracy, and the nation you decide to live in was explicitly set up to be governed in a way where a few large states (Virginia at that time) did not have a stranglehold on power over the rest.

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jackhack wrote: post #84
curiousgal wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offence by why are the founding fathers put on such a high pedestal in the U.S.? Everything they did had a reason but some of those reasons do not make sense anymore. The electoral college was put in place to give more saying to the south but that's not needed anymore. Gun ownership was put in place to protect from militias but again, that's not the case anymore, why keep all of these laws?

>No offence by why are the founding fathers put on such a high pedestal in the U.S.? Because they were exceedingly well educated, with a knowledge of the rise and fall of nations, and of the shortcomings of human nature. They designed a system of checks and balances that gives the individual the best chances at success in such a world. The reasoning behind these decisions are well documented in the Federalist Papers.

> They designed a system of checks and balances that gives the individual the best chances at success in such a world

In which loopholes have been found and exploited to such a degree that these checks and balances now gives the individuals with enough moral terpitude the best chance at success at the expense of most individuals.

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by smt88 »

ams6110 wrote: post #75
tabtab wrote: post #16

Being we've had foreign governments messing with our democracy using social media and hacking, this should be fully investigated. I'm not claiming they are interfering, only saying we should rule out the possibility using our best forensics.

But beyond that, why would you put an unauthenticated public comment form on the internet and not expect it to be filled with 90% rubbish. I mean, have we not learned anything? Public forms on the internet != democracy.

> Public forms on the internet != democracy.

I disagree. I think that's exactly what democracy is. That's why the Founding Fathers decided the US should be a republic.

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by King-Aaron »

excalibur wrote: post #2

> However, if you go to his house on 11 Tee Pee Row, you will unfortunately speak to a kind person who will tell you that John has been passed away since 2016 and no one else there has the same name. This is my new favorite name for a residential street.

> This is my new favorite name for a residential street.

There's a "Wildgoose Chase" in the Clarence Valley, Australia.. I find that one pretty good

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by ionised »

Brockenstein wrote: post #83
jstarfish wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a day and age where even our local police departments have grenade launchers, MRAPs and other military surplus gear, our right to cling to our handful of pea shooters and pretend like we can overthrow anything has also become a relic of times past.

I'm not a gun nut. I don't own a gun. I don't buy into gun rights for everyone regardless of the human cost. However. I think you grossly underestimate just how many guns there are in the U.S. There's like 300 million guns floating around, enough to arm every able-bodied adult. It's not the futility that's preventing armed revolution in the U.S., it's that despite all the crying people do their lives are really good…

> Military, police, state and local governments aren't going to automatically and universally side with the federal government.

They would side with whoever pays them.

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by tabtab »

upofadown wrote: post #69
tabtab wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if the FCC is counting the quantity of citizens making a given point when deciding? In that case the quantity matters even if it is a restatement of the same argument.

>But what if the FCC is counting the quantity of citizens making a given point when deciding? That is an interesting theory but ultimately the FCC answers to Congress. They are not allowed to do their own politics (although sometimes they try). They are in the end just a regulator. They do make a nice scapegoat so as to allow the actual politicians to avoid criticism of the policies those politicians created.

My statement was not really about who controls the FCC, but about how they will or are ACTUALLY considering public comments currently.

Re: Dead People Mysteriously Support the FCC's Attack on Net Neutrality

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Post by tabtab »

mattnewton wrote: post #21
tabtab wrote: post #16

Being we've had foreign governments messing with our democracy using social media and hacking, this should be fully investigated. I'm not claiming they are interfering, only saying we should rule out the possibility using our best forensics.

I don’t know why we have to point fingers abroad, when there is so much incentive at home to fudge these results from the telecom companies about to be deregulated.

BOTH are problems.
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