First field report of iPhone X • Hacker News Board

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by iainmerrick » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 3:57 PM UTC

yequalsx wrote: post #14

finchisko wrote: post #8

One thing to Apple PR credit is faceid. For me it's hot needle replacement for failed attempt to integrate touchid into display, but for most people it is innovation.

You appear to be assuming that integrating Touch ID into the display was Apple's first choice. If face ID works as promised I can’t see why anyone would prefer Touch ID over Face ID. Even if your assumption is correct Face ID is still innovative.

I think driving is a good example -- if your phone is mounted on a holder on the dashboard, you can easily and reasonably safely unlock it with your thumb, but face ID will be fiddly and dangerous.

They probably figure that people should be using CarPlay, though.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by treepeople » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:00 PM UTC

parzivalm wrote: post #86

waytogo wrote: post #13

Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night. As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry. Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense. It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app dev…

>the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense.

It is the only design that makes sense. The other manufacturers just put a bar down the bottom that has no purpose at all. No one cares about a notch. Obsessive personalities are just fixating on it.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by bsaul » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:00 PM UTC

"the most anticipated product in years"... stopped reading there. Anticipated product in years ? Really ?? not even "most anticipated Apple product in years " ? For a phone with a missing button and a face recognition feature nobody cares about ??

I am an iOS developer, and i generally love apple product, but frankly it's time everyone, including hard-core apple fans, agree that apple has been under-delivering those last 3 years.

If i had to say "anticipated" about something, i'd say the watch 3 is far more interesting and opens more application use.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by madeofpalk » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:02 PM UTC

waterflame wrote: post #53

While I love the phone and find it a big improvement over all current market phones (not that innovative though), I wonder how many people will die trying to unlock their phones while driving. And they will unlock it while driving.

I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock

Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by glhaynes » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:05 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #83

solidr53 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, you unlock in your pocket for SOS, what then? You can't see what you are doing anyway.

I can quite reliably send a text or make a call from a pocket, but fine switch a pocket to a purse....

If you can send a text reliably from your pocket (something I've never even heard of anybody attempting), you can unlock it with the 6-digit passcode reliably.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by bgentry » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:06 PM UTC

parzivalm wrote: post #86

waytogo wrote: post #13

Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night. As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry. Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense. It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app dev…

My understanding is that media fills the screen in the same way it does on any other iPhone. A double tap will change the zoom setting such that it will letterbox and not cut off any part of the video. This setting is supposed to be saved when you view another video.

And because this screen has such a wide aspect ratio, in most cases you can zoom out and only have black bars on the notch side and opposite side (left & right when in landscape mode).

That being said, I do find the designs that “embrace the notch” (especially in landscape) repulsive. I’d much prefer if that area just stayed dark to blend in with the notch.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by madeofpalk » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:07 PM UTC

parzivalm wrote: post #86

waytogo wrote: post #13

Slightly OT: I am most impressed by Apple‘s bold move to drop the iPhone‘s decade old, iconic symmetric design while establishing a new iconic asymmetric design almost over night. As odd as the new design feels, Apple already owns this design, this buckle, this asymmetry. Edit: Why the downvotes (just wondering)?

Apple probably owns the design because most other manufactures hopefully see that you shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video. I've been an iPhone user since day 1 but the screen shape on this phone just makes so little sense. It wouldn't be the worst if Apple made it that iOS scaled everything so media wasn't blocked by the notch but instead if I get the iPhone X I have to wait for app dev…

> shouldn't be looking at a notch every time you are viewing a video.

For what it's worth, the iPhone X doesnt have a 16:9 display, so by default video displays pillar-boxed. Just like on iPad (which also doesnt have a 16:9 display), if you zoom in on the video you can make it occupy the full display, but cutting off a portion of the video.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by Shivetya » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:10 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #94

waterflame wrote: post #53

While I love the phone and find it a big improvement over all current market phones (not that innovative though), I wonder how many people will die trying to unlock their phones while driving. And they will unlock it while driving.

I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism.

however the touch id does not require you to look at your phone to unlock and unconsciously people will look at an X to unlock it even though it only needs to see you, not the reverse.

neither is a good idea but Apple recently pushed out lockouts for Do not disturb while driving. I have not tried this feature and it defaults to off. So how well it works, well it won't stop me from using the phone as it appears to be not allowing the phone to interrupt me.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by madeofpalk » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #40

gehsty wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is TouchID superior to FaceID? I just want to understand why you think FaceID is a failure? If FaceID lives up to Apples claims it will have less friction and higher security, so win win, and I'm sure Apple are aware of how popular TouchID is, I don't see them replacing it with a dud.

Because it can be unlocked in your pocket for SOS use cases. Because it can be unlocked under the table or at a very low angle to be used in places such as a restaurant, meeting room, theater etc. Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport. Becuase TouchID actually allows multiple users on the same device if if that is not…

Sure. TouchID can't be used if your fingers are wet or wrinkly. Since I found out about FaceID I've noticed a bunch of scenarios where TouchID falls short and I have to drastically change how I'm using the phone or what I'm doing to accomodate unlocking using a specific finger.

> Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport.

Since moving to the UK I was keen to give Apple Pay a try on the tube and I was disgusted at how slow it is. I think mobile-based contactless options are always going to be slower than passive card-based contactless.

Re: First field report of iPhone X

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Post by waterflame » Mon, Oct 30, 2017, 4:16 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #94

waterflame wrote: post #53

While I love the phone and find it a big improvement over all current market phones (not that innovative though), I wonder how many people will die trying to unlock their phones while driving. And they will unlock it while driving.

I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism.

"Using your phone while driving is reckless, regardless of the authentication mechanism." -- true. Nevertheless, Numbers show that people do use their phones while driving.

"I would say similar to the amount now, and less than passcode-based unlock" -- For now this is just a claim. This is why I'm wondering... Yet, imagine needing to place your phone in front of your face, instead of just using your finger.