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Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#91

Post by wmeredith »

andygcook wrote: post #8

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Your hamburger menu doesn’t work for me. I’m on the latest version of mobile Safari.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by wmeredith »

yourkin wrote: post #9

Bootstrap 4 is great and a pleasure to work with. Documentation structure on the other hand... Main nav section on the left with subsections on the right is totally counter-intuitive.

I’m glad someone else said it. The nav hierarchy here is bizarro.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#93

Post by wmeredith »

azr79 wrote: post #89

Nobody cares anymore, everybody moved on to bulma and other things, bootstrap is yesterday's song

Gonna need a source on that. Bootstrap is the most widely used CSS framework by a country mile.

Bootstrap has more stars (117k) on GitHub than the next 6 CSS frameworks combined: https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=css+framework&s=stars&typ...

FWIW Bulma is third with 20.4k. And I’m legit going to check it out now that, you know, I’ve heard of it ;)

Of course, GitHub stars aren’t everything, and momentum is important, but to say no one cares is objectively wrong. This is a big deal for a large swath of the industry.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#94

Post by mattsidesinger »

andygcook wrote: post #39
mattsidesinger wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I signed up for your service. Do you have any competitors in this space? I thought the experience overall was very simple. Are you thinking about adding options for the prints? For example, glossy v. matte or 4x6 v 5x7? Edit: I see you replied to someone else and I cannot tell if the service is actually live (as in my card is going to be charged and photos are going to ship).

It’s live, and thanks for signing up! The photos you text in will ship in a month from now. We’re definitly going to add other options in time. Right now we’re trying to get the MVP right with 4x6 glossy prints. There’s a few other services that let you send postcards (expensive) or use apps to let you grab pictures from your phone. The apps tend to have more friction than just sending an MMS and to my knowledge, we’…

Another option that would be good would be to allow to crop. I know I sent some photos in that are not 4:3 so I'm curious to know how they will print. I'm assuming they will be centered by whichever print to ship service, but others that may not understand what's happening here might have some heads chopped off in a printed picture.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#95

Post by aacook »

wmeredith wrote: post #91
andygcook wrote: post #8

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Your hamburger menu doesn’t work for me. I’m on the latest version of mobile Safari.

HN can be counted on to find any and all bugs! Squashed. Thank you.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#96

Post by mmgutz »

myf01d wrote: post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

It's certainly become easier but I rather like having people contribute fixes to issues we may not be aware of. For a small team like our startup, execution of the idea is far more important than having something completely unique.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#98

Post by SippinLean »

azr79 wrote: post #89

Nobody cares anymore, everybody moved on to bulma and other things, bootstrap is yesterday's song

Bulma is very far behind.

* Lacks all the JS components

* Lifts from Bootstrap for most of the CSS components, sometimes down to the class name

* Makes the mistakes of early Bootstrap, namely heavily nested classes like .card .media:not(:last-child) that are difficult to overwrite and cause great pain when customizing

* Uses antiquated non-extensible syntax/naming conventions for breakpoints, such as "is-desktop" instead of "small, medium, large" etc

* grid system is not flexible, breakpoints are hardcoded and there's no easy way to generate your own grid

* no mixins I can use in Sass instead of using classes in HTML. There are a few helpers but no way to setup columns without HTML classes (like you can in Bootstrap)

* overall lack of easy customization, no theming tool and very limited variables. in BS almost everything can be customized using Sass variables

It simply isn't as mature or battle-tested as Bootstrap. There's a reason it's not 1.0 yet. BS can do everything Bulma can, the reverse is not true.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#99

Post by headcanon »

rpedela wrote: post #55
headcanon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on what you're doing. Kitchen-sink frameworks like Bootstrap are great for building tools that don't require a lot of customization of the UI, generally things like internal tools. But for user-facing stuff, designers and PMs want to tweak everything about the interface, and by the time you're done, you've rewritten most of the CSS and you actually spent more effort doing so than had you just written the C…

BS4 includes Flexbox and it has been designed to be much easier to customize with SASS. They have also added a bunch of utilities for spacing, colors, etc which makes customization at the CSS level easier as well. For a practical example, I only had to write a few lines of SASS to give some components (e.g. modal) a material design look. I think your criticism is valid for BS3 but not BS4 unless you are building a we…

I haven't used BS4 so you might be right - glad to see improvement in that area!

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Post by Can_Not »

SippinLean wrote: post #98
azr79 wrote: post #89

Nobody cares anymore, everybody moved on to bulma and other things, bootstrap is yesterday's song

Bulma is very far behind. * Lacks all the JS components * Lifts from Bootstrap for most of the CSS components, sometimes down to the class name * Makes the mistakes of early Bootstrap, namely heavily nested classes like .card .media:not(:last-child) that are difficult to overwrite and cause great pain when customizing * Uses antiquated non-extensible syntax/naming conventions for breakpoints, such as "is-desktop" ins…

Coming from BS3+jQuery, BS3/4 was confusing or obtuse to use the jQuery dependent parts with VueJS (modal being a good example). Most BS+VueJS libraries were incomplete or broken somewhere in the VueJS 1 => 2 shuffle. Bulma was not confusing, it's JS agnosticism being the main reason.
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