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The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Another article on New Yorker (published in 2015), "Born Red", is quite interesting as well on this subject. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/born-red According to the article, Xi once said, "People who have little experience with power, those who have been far away from it, tend to regard these things as mysterious and novel. But I look past the superficial things: the power and the flowers and the glor…

> Humanity itself is a quite complex matter I cannot help to remind you that Xi is the president of a country with 1.3 BB people. If you think he does not know this fact, you are plain ignorant. Chinese political sphere isn't any another-world strange thing. It's just like any such things: human-dealing and power-plays... Xi knows too well how to deal with people, and how complex they are, otherwise he would not reac…

  > If you think he does not know this fact, 
  > you are plain ignorant.
Thanks for reminding me about that...

I won't deny that I am indeed ignorant -- and on that, I would concur in Socrates' words, "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance"...

  > Xi knows too well how to deal with people, 
  > and how complex they are, otherwise he would 
  > not reach his currnet power at all
I am not really sure -- bear with my ignorance again -- what you mean by "know how to deal with people"...

I think everyone knows his own way of dealing with people -- that's the social aspect of every human being...it's just that their knowledge about that matter could be very different from each other...

When I state "humanity itself is a quite complex matter", I am just stating it's complex; and I am not stating _how_ it is complex -- I feel that's a very very broad and involved matter; and on that, too, different people may have different opinion and understanding, which could be evolving and changing all the time...

For instance, you could say that half a century ago another Chinese "power" leader, Mao Zedong, understood how to deal with people -- for "otherwise he would not reach his then current power at all" -- and the manner of his dealing was to simply destroy or even annihilate those who did not agree with him; and he termed that dealing as "revolution". It's indeed a great achievement for Mao to somewhat successfully reach that goal; but this does not mean that kind of policy really benefited the average Chinese people living in those days...

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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This article mentioned China's debt as a problem, which I've seen before, so I finally looked it up. One article I found said China has added $24 trillion in debt in the last ten years alone, with a debt-to-GDP ratio of about 300%. With so much money appearing out of thin air to finance this or that program or development or expansion, it's easy to imagine opportunities for corruption. Add to that giant spigot all the smaller ones, as banks participate in the boom indirectly. It's no surprise then that Xi would have to address corruption overtly, given how it must be a daily temptation for party members to steer the wealth this way or that. Considering the scale of China's growth, it's remarkable how smoothly things are going. If there's any fractiousness within party ranks, it doesn't translate into churn we can see that slows things down. https://seekingalpha.com/article/4091155-update-china-debt?p...

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His anti-corruption campaign is the main one. There's a focus on "tigers" and "flies" - high profile targets and a general clean-up of low-level corruption. It seems like quite a lot of the "tigers" were opponents of Xi. Also, he gets compared to his immediate predecessor (Hu) who was was very bland and worked more on a consensus model.

But his anti-corruption campaign really looked like an anti-corruption campaign. I understand that they can be used as power tools but what are the elements to believe this is the case presently?

I think he's genuine. Corruption is rotting the Communist Party inside and hurting China. And for all their faults Chinese politicians are nationalist.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the Atlantic piece is suggesting that at all. The article is making the point that the delicate power balances behind the Chinese Communist Party is very complex, and that the soundbites we hear from our Western media (or any media for that matter) probably do not capture the full extent of the power dynamics, wheeling and dealing, and inner workings of the Chinese Communist Party.

Last time I checked, the power balances are not necessarily complex, they are opaque. They could rely on tea leaves readings for all we know. Most of the "analysis" you read are pure speculations based more on wishful thinking and prejudice than on facts.

Reminds me of how every "expert" said Trump wouldn't win. It was amusing how everyone was surprised to find out there's a whole landmass between NY and California. Fly over country for sure but eligible to vote.

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The story was formatted with Shorthand [1] Does anybody know an open source equivalent? Thanks. [1] https://shorthand.com/

Unfortunately this article has an annoying habit of jumping position when changing scroll for me (iOS Chrome). Makes going back to re-read a paragraph tricky.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Another article on New Yorker (published in 2015), "Born Red", is quite interesting as well on this subject. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/06/born-red According to the article, Xi once said, "People who have little experience with power, those who have been far away from it, tend to regard these things as mysterious and novel. But I look past the superficial things: the power and the flowers and the glor…

> Humanity itself is a quite complex matter I cannot help to remind you that Xi is the president of a country with 1.3 BB people. If you think he does not know this fact, you are plain ignorant. Chinese political sphere isn't any another-world strange thing. It's just like any such things: human-dealing and power-plays... Xi knows too well how to deal with people, and how complex they are, otherwise he would not reac…

Knowing how to rise to power while mostly staying under the radar, knowing how to consolidate power, and knowing how best to wield power are different things. The truth is, he's likely still rising to power; so what happens after the next Congress will be very interesting to watch.

Power is a great test of one's mettle and humanity, a test most fail historically - though I make no predictions about Xi.

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To me, this sounds a lot like "Make China Great Again". Temperamentally, of course, Xi is almost the exact opposite of Trump...

There is actually a group of researchers tasked to measure the progress of "make China great again", they reported back in 2012 that the goal is 62% completed. Chinese source from People's Daily - http://politics.people.com.cn/n/2012/0805/c1001-18670287.htm... Trump just copied the idea from Hu and Xi.

...and Reagan.

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I find the parallels between Xi and Putin fascinating: both had "modest" origins (or modest spells in the case of Xi) and much publicize them. Both were not really accounted for much, simply managing to rise through the ranks without making a wave, and always scrupulously deferring to authority. Both were nominated to the head of their respective party as a compromise or a strawman. That is until they took power, aft…

Can someone explain to me why Xi is considered to have "consolidated his grasp"? This seems to be a well accepted idea but I don't see what substantiates that. He starts his second term as prime minister of China, and serving two terms has been the norm in recent times. I did not remark China becoming more authoritarian under his rule. I do not see indications that he may stay after 2022, his scheduled depart. What d…

One way he is more powerful is he has greatly restricted freedom of press and internet discussion, and use this to halt criticism of the regime and the opportunity for any organized opposition to arise. Nowadays people rarely say in public anything except what the regime wants it to say.

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Xi graduated from middle school and his leading style is more like culture-revolution-movement than anything else. he is probably the least capable but most ambitious leader there since Mao, thus the most dangerous, just wait and see.

Re: The Thoughts of Chairman Xi

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the era just before that when they were not doing very well and we're engaged in non peaceful activities doesn't count. Got it.

I am not sure what you want to say. This post is about Xi, which took office in 2012. And the aspects initiates my post is about China's recent movement to more openly show off its power. What's the point of "when they were not doing very well" in this context? > we're engaged in non peaceful activities What does this refer to?

I mean, you count China's rise as coinciding with the time just after they were being hostile to their neighbors. A rosy filter to be sure.
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