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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by dreamfactored »

mhneu wrote: post #55
tlrobinson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, an extreme interpretation of that statement could be that Kaspersky considers the NSA to be a "cyberthreat"...

Kaspersky was trained by the FSB (former KGB). (Putin has been quoted as saying "there's no such thing as a /former/ KGB officer"). So as a defacto agent of the Russian government, Kaspersky certainly considers the NSA (and other Western gov't agencies) to be an adversary. Agreed that it's crazy that the US govt ever used Kaspersky software. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/252421-russian-cybersec... "According t…

Well the Pentium chip itself was a Russian design so why not use their AV - https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/07/intel_uses_russia_m...

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by daxorid »

beepboopbeep wrote: post #82
pdx wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have GOT to be fucking kidding. Have you actually been asleep for the last 6 years?

You're the only one in this thread that's incredulous about a major publication posting a researched article. Clearly we are all out to get you.

pdx is certainly not the only one. Many of us who consider the entirety of Western Media to be a wholly controlled narrative fabrication oligopoly simply keep our mouths shut about it.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by dreamfactored »

codedokode wrote: post #79

I remember that Kaspersky helped to investigate some of cyberattacks perfromed allegedly by western agencies. Could not these articles be a part of revenge campaign to punish them? And another thought, if we cannot trust foreign AV software, does it mean that every country must have at list one national AV product? Or maybe it would make sence to make some special API for AV software so that it can check files and pr…

> if we cannot trust foreign AV software, does it mean that every country must have at list one national AV product

That also goes for pretty much every online platform from search to shopping to social. N.B. The Russians and Chinese are already doing precisely this

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by mhkool »

Remember the Chinese network equipment allegations? The agencies said hey had backdoors. That was never proven but what we know is that the agencies had access over nearly all Cisco equipment.

Now Kaspersky is the next 'unsafe' non-American company... There are only allegations from an unreliable source: the agencies have lied regularly.

I am convinced that there is an anti-Kaspersky campaign since the agencies 'like' the American antivirus vendors a lot more. I bet the agencies have ways to spy on users of American antivirus vendors.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by white-flame »

iloveluce wrote: post #6

I hope NSA is doing the same with Russian Cyber Defense systems. This is what NSA should be focused on and not on turning its eavesdropping capabilities towards the homeland. What if an adversary where to hack the NSA warehouses were all communications swept up by their eavesdropping efforts are stored?

> This is what NSA should be focused on and not on turning its eavesdropping capabilities towards the homeland.

Spying on Americans traditionally would be done by our allies, so we can trade info with them and have it all be "legal." The NSA is simply optimizing that chain away. :-P

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

killjoywashere wrote: post #70

I'm going to go out on a limb and propose a hypothesis: The DoD's hyper-innefficient contracting system rewards DC insiders and effectively limits the department's ability to invest where investment is needed while draining the public coffers of unfathomable amounts of money. The DoD's hyper-ineffective personnel system inhibits personal development while at the same time making it nearly impossible to move laterally…

Contracting instead of developing in-house capabilities is completely destroying the DoD and American military effectiveness. The corruption around that is posing a real, impactful threat to national security.

Fuck these people and their "free market" lies as a cover for outright theft of public funds.

It's not just in the cyber domain that this is a problem, but the cyber domain is one in which the corner-cutting, half-assed nature of the corruption is most visible because the damage is most easily exploited by foreign powers.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by RandVal30142 »

indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

>And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia.

Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all.

Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities.

Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated terrorist org Hezbollah.

Is currently attacking people who have documented all of this, regardless of what nation they live in. Has attempted to get Canada to take down and expose citizens using their services to publicize Russia's actions.

What will it take to get you to understand Russia is at war with the world? Does another civilian airliner need to be downed? Should another analyst/journalist get kidnapped and brought into Russia to be disappeared?

What is your threshold of acknowledgement here?

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by JamesBarney »

pm90 wrote: post #71
indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

While I agree with your assessment of the Establishments role in the promotion of the Iraq war, I don't think an actual conflict with Russia is either desirable or possible without severely wrecking the current global order. It seems more like the kind of behavior I've seen when you impose tedious security protocols universally without explaining it properly to those expected to follow it. I'm willing to bet that as…

I thought the reason they used contractors was certain government rules made it a pain in the ass to hire a new employee at 100-150k.(a lowish level for a quality devs with security clearance)

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Post by Jtsummers »

keda wrote: post #13
mozumder wrote: post #9

"An NSA contractor brought home documents about U.S. offensive cyber capabilities. He used Kaspersky on his home computer. Russian government hackers stole the documents." https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/915983591737319427 So, yah, avoid Kaspersky AV software.

Funny how this Cybersecurity reporter publish his PGP key using unsecured protocol. http://www.ericjgeller.com/pgp_ejg.txt

https://keybase.io/ericgeller

Assuming you trust Keybase (or if not fully trust at least consider it part of a more general trust network) then the key can be verified against that. That it's hosted over HTTP or any other protocol is irrelevant if it's also attached to some trust network. You can obtain it, check the fingerprint and/or value against his Keybase information and determine then whether or not you trust the key.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by indubitable »

dragonwriter wrote: post #83
indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

> Since Iraq I have become much more critical of pretty much everything. Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. Uh, while there were some media collaborating with the government propaganda, the government's case for war was thoroughly and pretty completely debunked in the mainstream media, nearly in real-time. Few people paid as much attention to that as what the government was saying, which th…

There's a useful tool in search engines that I think are desperately underused. This [1] is a search for "Iraq" on Google with results from January 1st to March 1st, 2003. We would invade on March 20th. I'll leave the results without comment. I think they speak for themselves.

A couple of asides are that it's very interesting to do the same sort of thing with "Russia" in more contemporary times. Our minds do very strange things when reconstructing the past. At the eve of the Iraq war, 72% [2] of Americans supported war. Now nearly half [3] of Americans claim they opposed the war. And the interesting thing is that people probably do genuinely believe this. Our brains do an absolutely phenomenal job of letting us lie to ourselves. Probably the one thing that inhibits progress more than any other!

[1] - https://www.google.com/search?q=iraq&dcr=0&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:...

[2] - http://news.gallup.com/poll/8038/seventytwo-percent-american...

[3] - https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/05/21/americans-remember-...

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