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Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by Karunamon »

dogruck wrote: post #77
Karunamon wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's relevant here. The only way that flies is if the armed forces are deployed against the companies in question, something that is expressly forbidden in federal law. (And if that ever becomes an issue, the USA as we know it has already ceased to exist)

If I understand your point, you are conceptualizing the discussion as "how could Trump attack FB" vs "how could Zuck attack the US"? Is that fair? Or do I not understand your point?

What? No. I was saying that bringing the armed forces into the discussion is, at best, a non sequitur since their use is A. illegal, and B. implies the rest of the system is trashed enough for it to not matter anymore should they be used.

Opinion manipulation is a powerful thing. Something that, in this country, won't be fought with guns.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by dogruck »

Karunamon wrote: post #91
dogruck wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand your point, you are conceptualizing the discussion as "how could Trump attack FB" vs "how could Zuck attack the US"? Is that fair? Or do I not understand your point?

What? No. I was saying that bringing the armed forces into the discussion is, at best, a non sequitur since their use is A. illegal, and B. implies the rest of the system is trashed enough for it to not matter anymore should they be used. Opinion manipulation is a powerful thing. Something that, in this country, won't be fought with guns.

It is not illegal for the POTUS to use the armed forces.

I agree with would be outrageous if they were used against US corporations -- but who is proposing that???

I guess I don't understand your point.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by Karunamon »

dogruck wrote: post #92
Karunamon wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? No. I was saying that bringing the armed forces into the discussion is, at best, a non sequitur since their use is A. illegal, and B. implies the rest of the system is trashed enough for it to not matter anymore should they be used. Opinion manipulation is a powerful thing. Something that, in this country, won't be fought with guns.

It is not illegal for the POTUS to use the armed forces. I agree with would be outrageous if they were used against US corporations -- but who is proposing that??? I guess I don't understand your point.

Why bring up military force as superior in power to social engineering via media if its use is off the table?

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by davesque »

owebmaster wrote: post #75
davesque wrote: post #72

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I don't think we can have much of a conversation here. I simply believe that foreign nationals shouldn't take out ads to influence the elections of countries in which they're not a citizen. If we can't agree on this, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. And, just in case anyone tries to counter with a "pot calling the kettle" argument, I don't care if the US government has ever tried to influence the elections…

> I simply believe that foreign nationals shouldn't take out ads to influence the elections of countries in which they're not a citizen. If we can't agree on this, then we'll just have to agree to disagree I totally agree with it! Now I ask you, do you agree? Because US institutions bought a lot of political ads in the past years when the Brazilian government was overthrow. Now guess which side did these institutions…

Read my previous comment.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by 27182818284 »

walru wrote: post #62
27182818284 wrote: post #60

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The grandparent's reaction is a bit unkempt. I suggest that it is very possible that Facebook, with its access to something like 1 billion MAUs, needs to be regulated, and regulated possibly differently than companies before it. The FEC has some rules for political ads with respect to the Internet, but I am in favor of revisiting those to see what rules need to be established for the greater good of the public >There…

So is $100,000 worth of ads enough to sway an election? Because I have stats claiming nobody clicks on ads.

Indeed it does seem cheap. They don't have to click on them, though. They don't have to log in and take out their CC to be effective. Neither do political TV ads and other older media. It wasn't enough to win the popular vote, but could it have been enough to change some folks' minds in swing states where the EC gives them more weight? Maybe yeah. Maybe enough that the feds are looking at the Facebook ad buys.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

Stratoscope wrote: post #74
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #68

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He elaborates a bit later on the properties of this object. What a sentence: But what had been presented as a democratic town hall was revealed to be a densely interwoven collection of parallel media ecosystems and political infrastructures outside the control of mainstream media outlets and major political parties and moving like a wrecking ball through both.

Oh my, do I have to do yet another "mobile friendly" reply? Maybe I should write a Mobile Quote Bot. :-) > But what had been presented as a democratic town hall was revealed to be a densely interwoven collection of parallel media ecosystems and political infrastructures outside the control of mainstream media outlets and major political parties and moving like a wrecking ball through both. Tip to HN commenters: don't…

Sorry about that. I figured that the post I was replying to had done it for a reason that I didn't understand, so I mimicked it. I'll keep your advice in mind in the future.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by Stratoscope »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #96
Stratoscope wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my, do I have to do yet another "mobile friendly" reply? Maybe I should write a Mobile Quote Bot. :-) > But what had been presented as a democratic town hall was revealed to be a densely interwoven collection of parallel media ecosystems and political infrastructures outside the control of mainstream media outlets and major political parties and moving like a wrecking ball through both. Tip to HN commenters: don't…

Sorry about that. I figured that the post I was replying to had done it for a reason that I didn't understand, so I mimicked it. I'll keep your advice in mind in the future.

No worries, and no apology needed! It gave me an excuse to post some general advice on quoting, so that's all good.

Re: Does Even Mark Zuckerberg Know What Facebook Is?

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Post by projectant »

owebmaster wrote: post #39
projectant wrote: post #32

Quote of the year: > But if Facebook is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere company, surely his trip is bigger, newer, and weirder than a mere presidential run. Maybe he’s doing research and development, reverse-­engineering social bonds to understand how Facebook might better facilitate them. Maybe Facebook is a church and Zuckerberg is offering his benedictions. Maybe Facebook is a state within a state and Zucke…

Maybe someone is behind Zuckerberg? I don't find him too smart, really.

What, like a--a Puppetberg?
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