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Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Sweden have good working morale and extremely high unemployment rates among young people that often have high education. If you start a tech company you will be flooded with applications and you can cherry pick talents. The entry wage for developers are around $25,000 year, yes year, not monthly!

Here's the recommendations just about everyone follows when you've finished a BSc and MSc respectively: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...

So almost the double of what you said.

The unemployment rate for educated computer scientists is around 0.4%.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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post #71

Sweden have good working morale and extremely high unemployment rates among young people that often have high education. If you start a tech company you will be flooded with applications and you can cherry pick talents. The entry wage for developers are around $25,000 year, yes year, not monthly!

Yup, that is the backside. I'm a Swede and patriotic enough to like my country, but engineering salaries are abysmal. You don't get rich by working. :) Pay ranges are usually also set by age, so there is little room to improve your salary by being extra competent.

Your salary number is off the mark though. Median pre-tax income is roughly double that.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some successful startups that are based out of Sweden?

I'd say Spotify, Skype and King (Candy Crush) are good examples. I'd count Mojang (Minecraft) too.

Lots more game companies too, from AAA companies like DICE and Paradox to indie games.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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I think more important than the welfare system (potential entrepreneurs probably don't see welfare as their backup solution anyway) is that the quality of life depends so much less on income than in say the US, so people are not that worried about earning less for a few years.

You still get the same healthcare and education, the same access to sports (even golf!) and nature (very important for us), and since there is zero stigma associated with public transportation it doesn't matter if you can't afford a car.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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I've considered launching a start-up of my own here in Sweden so I've given the pros and cons some thought, and it is virtually risk free. To summarise, compared with other countries, we may have even more of the upside but the downside is capped at a very anxiety free level.

These are a few of the reasons:

- highly skilled labour is cheap in absolute terms and the cost to performance ratio for such workers is probably amongst the absolute best in the world. Good for a start-up!

- For the individual worker a job as a highly competent senior developer on average in my 20 years of experience is pretty much just double that of a garbage collector. Salaried men don't get ahead much but start-up workers do to a similar extent as they do in other start-up hubs in the world. Good for the early employees getting shares or stock options.

- Social security systems would still leave me able to stay in my nice home in my nice suburb even without a job. It would not affect the healthcare or education for me and my family at all. I would have to cut down on my intercontinental vacations with my family though. It feels like bet I could make without too much anxiety.

-Sweden has had, and still have to some extent, lots and lots of world leading large tech companies in pretty much every industry like automotive, telecom, different types of processing industries etc. Lots of skills, knowledge and ideas has spun off these large companies or started as suppliers to these. I think this ecosystem is one of the more critical factors which the other Scandinavian countries lack. I cannot come to think of even one Scandinavian unicorn-ish type of company from another Scandinavian country than Sweden. Finnish Rovio is close though, but I cannot come to think of any other non-Swedish company. Sorry but please fill me in here Norwegians, Danes and Finns!

- Stockholm specifically, where all the companies mentioned in the article are from, is a tech hub with lots of skilled and nice people living and working here and lots of good tech companies which makes it start-up friendly for the same reasons it would anywhere else in the world.

- The Swedish society, compared with most other I've experienced, is pretty well oiled and modern (not saying there isn't room for lots of improvement) where infrastructure like transportation, administration of personal and company affairs etc work quite well. More time and energy to focus on stuff that matters like your business and your family.

- The weather sucks for at least 6 months of the year. No I'm serious here. Having pretty much nothing else to do than to work and watch Netflix frees up lots of time and energy for work.

My five cents…

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Sounds like the whole discussion is kind of blurred by the definition of what a start-up is.

IMO the article misrepresents the cited study[1], which doesn't talk about "start-ups". It could just as well be represented as: in weak state countries lacking a stable operating environment for large businesses, companies are short-lived and the only option for many people is self-employment. Also, the size of state sector vs private sector just tells you how the activity in the country is organised: you can have public healthcare or private healthcare, and of course the private healthcare means more private sector activity. It doesn't mean that the private sector healthcare is a better outcome.

[1] PDF link: https://www.aeaweb.org/aea/2011conference/program/retrieve.p...

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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With Swedish high cost of living, is it feasible to bootstrap a product company there (a company that needs time to build something to sell) or is an outside investment the only feasible path for such companies?

High cost of living? Where’d you get that idea? It’s true that some things are certainly more expensive – gas, alcohol, dinners in mid to high end restaurants – but other things, notably the big ticket items like rent, are typically cheaper than in many other places I’ve been and especially big cities. No need to pay health insurance or other not-really-optional fees is also relevant. Sweden isn’t perhaps cheap per se, but I wouldn’t say it’s much more expensive than anywhere else.

I live in Sweden, and I’ve lived abroad in both the UK and US, and I’d say living in Stockholm is a lot cheaper than London, and certainly a lot cheaper (and much easier, if you can find an apartment that is) than NYC or SF. But of course it depends on your way of life I guess.

FWIW I’ve bootstrapped my business, and as someone else suggested in this context the social safety net takes away a lot of the anxiety in doing this. It’s not easy, but I also know if shit hits the fan I won’t be out on the streets the next morning.

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

#99

American engineers who are tired of Trump; Feel free to come work with us in Sweden! ;-) Swedish startups are hiring and there's definitely a shortage of engineers at the moment.

I feel like I hear this all the time “come to France! Come to New Zealand! Come to Sweden!” But I never hear stories of people doing this successfully.

So I have a friend who has 2 years experience as a developer at an average company - mostly Java. Should she move to Sweden? What company will hire her? What companies should she look at?

Re: Why Does Sweden Have So Many Startups?

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Completely missed one of the most important points: It's easier to take risks, if those risks actualizing will not destroy your life. In the US, there's very little social safety net to catch you. If you get sick before the startup is big enough, it means personal bankruptcy - and no medical treatment. Missing revenue targets can mean missing student loan payments, missing rent, etc. There's real risk you'll end up h…

If that was the case then all Scandinavian countries would be doing as well, they aren't. It's much more complex than that.

I have visited Denmark and Sweden, and the most obvious change when you cross the border is that Danes rarely smile walking down the street (or talking to you), whereas Swedes look generally happy.

It is likely a cultural thing, as young (4-6 year old) Danes on the street do some happy, unlike their older siblings and parents;

I am aware that this contradicts surveys that conclude Danes are the happiest people and Swedes aren’t - just recounting my personal impression

These kind of things matter and are very rarely captured in statistics

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