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Re: Request for Education Startups

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If you closely followed this advice, I don't think Kahn academy would have been invented. What teachers want and what students needs are not the same.

Perhaps, but KA is a supplement - not a replacement for - more traditional in-person educational experiences.

Big whoop. KA is still education. This thread is about education startups, not necessarily in-person education startups.

Re: Request for Education Startups

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Something I don't see on the list: Homeschooling related startups Big companies can be a unique resource for small, independent operations. In k-12 education, some of the smallest and most independent are homeschooling families. They need to comply with state laws. They sometimes need to accommodate 2xe students. They need to prove their children actually received an education. There are no doubt other areas where th…

Homeschooling is the right entry point for disruptive change. The new home schooling community (as opposed to the traditional religion focused home schoolers) is large and growing and much more open to new ideas than the education system.

I was a secular homeschooler, so I forget that this distinction even needs to be made. Thank you for bringing it up.

One subset of the homeschooling community is gifted kids who don't fit in well at school. They frequently have either a very high IQ, above what gifted programs are geared to, or are 2xE or both. Their parents are often well educated and comfortably middle class. The needs of this populatuon would likely be a good point of entry.

Re: Request for Education Startups

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Naval Ravikant's tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]: 1/ If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing. 2/ Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials. 3/ Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $…

He is absolutely right and you can already see the tides shifting with the meteoric rise of "coding boot camps" and similar alternative educational models.

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I work in an education company. As ironic as it sounds, we've found the biggest factor that is stoping change in K12 education is that teachers systematically refuse to learn anything new.

It's not in the US though so YMMV.

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> One big issue you face is that you're going to be teaching children and helping to shape their minds so you must use valid scientific research to back up your ideas less we create a generation of adults who cannot think about the world. Don't let the barely adequate be the enemy of the actively harmful. Most education research is of low quality and education does not incorporate known effective techniques like mast…

Honestly, fixing the education of educators would be the best long term solution. Alternatively, creating a complete, ready-to-go curriculum package for every course (as defined in every state) that could be handed to anyone might be a startup-able solution to that problem. Although, that might also just be a patch that leads to a local maximum of not-very-good teachers teaching from better-than-before curriculum. Wh…

You can already find "a complete, ready-to-go curriculum package for every course" on the internet.

Unfortunately (1) it's fragmented into lots of sites ... but most importantly, (2) it's low quality, and typically not adjusted to your particular year (From year to year the level of students varies a lot, and some need easier or more difficult content). On top of that, some years you have 50h with the students, other years 60h (depending on holidays, breaks, outings, interruptions). So that "package" would need some input parameters to achieve differentiation, acceleration, etc.

I often find it easier to spend 2h creating my content from scratch than adapt somebody else's (This can mean 20h - 30h of preparation in a week when you are teaching something for the first time, on top of teaching, supervising, after-school activities, etc)

Re: Request for Education Startups

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post #84

Naval Ravikant's tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]: 1/ If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing. 2/ Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials. 3/ Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $…

Ycombinator doesn't care about credentials?

Sam Alton - Stanford Drew Houston - mit Collision brothers - mit/harvard Airbnb guys - RISD

We could go on, so let's do...

Please tell me honestly if you think google Facebook Amazon Microsoft would be where they were without the "traditional credentials" of their founders? Stanford, harvard, Princeton, harvard, respectively.

At this point all these SV demigods like Ravikant (Dartmouth/Stuyvesant-look it up) are just being irresponsible getting kids' hope up.

Re: Request for Education Startups

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It seems to me that education needs its own "industrial revolution." Education with 30 kids and a teacher in a classroom for 9 months doesn't seem to scale well. There aren't enough good teachers, and it's inefficient to have so many kids together learning the same thing, and the same time, at the same pace. It's too inefficient, and any improvements are going to be cost prohibitive. I think we need to separate instr…

It's kinda crazy that assessment has been coupled with instruction for so long, it pretty obviously creates a warped incentive model that stands on some real shaky ground. I think the model also doesn't scale well for assessment, which prompts the creation of few, ineffective, but highly scalable assessments upon which the functioning of the entire system rest, which in turn prompts practices like teaching to the tes…

I like the concept of community-driven recognition, but I would caution against separating assessment from learning (if you used "instruction" to mean the moment when learning happens). Communities that engage in collaborative work (like open source projects, or guilds) are very good at surfacing and recognizing expertise. Making assessment a separate process increases the risk that we measure the things we can count, rather than the things that really count (butchering the Einstein quote).

Re: Request for Education Startups

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post #84

Naval Ravikant's tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]: 1/ If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing. 2/ Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials. 3/ Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $…

Ycombinator doesn't care about credentials? Sam Alton - Stanford Drew Houston - mit Collision brothers - mit/harvard Airbnb guys - RISD We could go on, so let's do... Please tell me honestly if you think google Facebook Amazon Microsoft would be where they were without the "traditional credentials" of their founders? Stanford, harvard, Princeton, harvard, respectively. At this point all these SV demigods like Ravikan…

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Re: Request for Education Startups

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post #84

Naval Ravikant's tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]: 1/ If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing. 2/ Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials. 3/ Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $…

He is absolutely right and you can already see the tides shifting with the meteoric rise of "coding boot camps" and similar alternative educational models.

The coding boot camps are closing en masse. I can't speak for the other alternative educational models, but there has been quite a bit of discussion around the boot camps closing.

Here is a recent article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/technology/coding-boot-ca...

Re: Request for Education Startups

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post #84

Naval Ravikant's tweetstorm today is highly relevant to this [1]: 1/ If the primary purpose of school was education, the Internet should obsolete it. But school is mainly about credentialing. 2/ Schools survive anti-educational behavior (i.e. groupthink) due to symbiosis between institutions that issue and accept credentials. 3/ Employers looking past traditional credentials can arbitrage the gap. @ycombinator made $…

Ycombinator doesn't care about credentials? Sam Alton - Stanford Drew Houston - mit Collision brothers - mit/harvard Airbnb guys - RISD We could go on, so let's do... Please tell me honestly if you think google Facebook Amazon Microsoft would be where they were without the "traditional credentials" of their founders? Stanford, harvard, Princeton, harvard, respectively. At this point all these SV demigods like Ravikan…

Do those folks really count as traditional credentials?

Google founders suspended their Ph.D. programs.

Bezos has a BS.

Gates dropped out.

Zuckerberg dropped out.

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