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Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by ZoeZoeBee » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:17 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #90

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #88

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Ummm, Crimea has been majority ethnic Russian for over 100 years, Ukranians weren't even the dominant minority in the region for most of the last two centuries. You really should learn some history before commenting

"Ethnic Russian" != "Russian", though. No matter what ethnicity, they were citizens of Ukraine. And I completely deny that Russia has the right to speak for ethnic Russians of other nationalities, and to invade their countries on their behalf.

Lol you completely ignore the fact that the Ukraine as a country did not exist until 1991, and the only reason Crimea was made a part of the Ukraine after the dissolution of the USSR, is because of a fluke of history whereby Crimea was transferred from the Russian Soviet Federation to the Ukrainian Soviet Federation as meaningless token in celebration of 300 years of the Ukraine as a part of the Russian Empire.

Prior to Russo-Turkish war Crimea was a part of the Ottoman Empire, after Russia won that war it conquered Crimea and absorbed it into the fold in 1783. Crimea has not been a traditional part of the Ukraine since before the existence of the United States of America.

Failure to grasp reality does not change the fact that a Crimea filled with ethnic Russians, host to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, in a city founded over 250 years ago by Russia, which holds extreme strategic importance to the nation could never be allowed to fall under the sphere of NATO.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by Sommersonn » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:29 PM UTC

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #81

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #69

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Had to? No. Chose to.

Right, they could have made the choice to let their strategic naval base in Crimea fall under the sphere of NATO, despite the obvious problems with that

It wasn't _their_ naval base in Crimea.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by Sommersonn » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:33 PM UTC

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #89

Sommersonn wrote: post #85

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> Russian military action in Ukraine was for the purpose of protecting its sovereign borders and access to the Black Sea. Without Crimea Russia won't have access to Black Sea? Or it will lose her borders? Please clarify.

Are you ignorant to the fact that the port of Sevastopol is host to Russia's Black Sea Fleet? Do you realize that Sevastopol was founded as a Russian naval port in 1783 and that Crimea has been Russian for over 250 years?

Russia as a country exists only for ~25 years.

Also even it had Crimea for thousand years before, it still won't matter - they've signed numerous international agreement s which stated that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by ZoeZoeBee » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:34 PM UTC

Sommersonn wrote: post #92

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, they could have made the choice to let their strategic naval base in Crimea fall under the sphere of NATO, despite the obvious problems with that

It wasn't _their_ naval base in Crimea.

WTF are you smoking? You're completely ignorant of both the past and the present when it comes to the Crimean region. Sevastopol was founded in 1783 by Russia, the Black Sea Fleet has run out of there under the Russian Flag even after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by ZoeZoeBee » Thu, Sep 14, 2017, 10:36 PM UTC

Sommersonn wrote: post #93

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #89

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Are you ignorant to the fact that the port of Sevastopol is host to Russia's Black Sea Fleet? Do you realize that Sevastopol was founded as a Russian naval port in 1783 and that Crimea has been Russian for over 250 years?

Russia as a country exists only for ~25 years. Also even it had Crimea for thousand years before, it still won't matter - they've signed numerous international agreement s which stated that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.

I wish you the best of luck in all that you do

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by dgudkov » Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 12:06 AM UTC

mmjaa wrote: post #5

throwaway5752 wrote: post #3

It's amazing to me that Russian espionage has been able to turn Western media against itself. Russia, China and every other advanced nation do the same things to the limits of their capability. Russia, in particular, killed a bunch of journalists over domestic intelligence operations, though. But people just eat up the stories about the US uncritically.

I think the fact that the US is engaged in open warfare around the world has a lot to do with it. Russia has its problems - but it hasn't deployed $Trillions of military assets around the world in order to project power, like the USA has. That has definitely got to count for something.

>but it hasn't deployed $Trillions of military assets around the world in order to project power

They would definitely have done this, if they could. At the expense of social programs, schools and healthcare, like they always do [1]. They just don't have $Trillions, only $Billions. A big chunk of which goes into botnets, orchestrated propaganda and cyber-sabotage.

[1] https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-to-increase-military-...

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by notfromhere » Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 1:05 AM UTC

mmjaa wrote: post #48

notfromhere wrote: post #44

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"Russia did nothing wrong!" (If you forget everything before 1991 and Georgia/Crimea/Donbass/Syria,etc).

Nice straw man. Russia has done plenty, wrong. But the USA has erred by a factor of 500x the sins of Russia, yo. If you can't understand that, I've got 1000 kilometres worth of walking refugee children to show you ..

The death toll from soviet communism was pretty steep: they killed millions and committed genocide and ethnic cleansing on many opinions. stop spreading this stupid whataboutism

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by lawnchair_larry » Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 3:38 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #67

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #49

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This is not what happened at all.

In eastern Ukraine and Crimea, that is almost exactly what happened.

It's honestly not even close. Have you read about the events in detail? I too was under that impression until looking more into it. Are you aware of the unknown sniper agitators?

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by mmjaa » Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 6:55 AM UTC

notfromhere wrote: post #97

mmjaa wrote: post #48

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Nice straw man. Russia has done plenty, wrong. But the USA has erred by a factor of 500x the sins of Russia, yo. If you can't understand that, I've got 1000 kilometres worth of walking refugee children to show you ..

The death toll from soviet communism was pretty steep: they killed millions and committed genocide and ethnic cleansing on many opinions. stop spreading this stupid whataboutism

Communism died decades ago.

The one doing all the killing and murdering of innocent civilians, now, is America and its allies, the so-called "Coalition", who have decided that only they have the right to start world war three. And, so they did.

"Whataboutism" = we are talking about the situation where America has invaded and destroyed countless sovereign nations over the last 4 decades, willingly and with utter contempt for international law. Russia defended its territorial integrity, and thus sovereignty, during the Crimea crisis - and little else.

America, however, has done nothing in defence of its sovereignty, and everything in attack of other sovereigns. It is a wholesale exporter of death, destruction, and injustice in the world, and .. once again .. I must remind my American readers that the facts on the ground are not pretty. America's statistics are not great. It is a dire, evil situation, and the continued 'whataboutism' from Americans (coz: "Soviet Russia") is precisely one of the ways this evil persists.

American citizens - Australian, Canadian, British and Kiwi too - MUST start accepting responsibility for the crimes of their states. The war is coming to you, whether you like it or not, eventually.

Re: Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)

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Post by mmjaa » Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 6:58 AM UTC

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #94

Sommersonn wrote: post #92

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It wasn't _their_ naval base in Crimea.

WTF are you smoking? You're completely ignorant of both the past and the present when it comes to the Crimean region. Sevastopol was founded in 1783 by Russia, the Black Sea Fleet has run out of there under the Russian Flag even after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

It truly is astounding, the level of dire ignorance that defenders of America's right to destroy nations, seem to employ in their effort to hinder truth. Astounding, and also, enlightening. No wonder their nation is allowed such free hand to destroy other nations: their citizens truly do not give enough of a damn to gain any insight into the history of the world.