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Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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People like to forget that private companies don't have to care about your first amendment rights.

They do have to care about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 though.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 bans discrimination against protected classes, including sex, race, and religion, but not political ideology.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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In an earlier post ( https://www.easydns.com/blog/2017/09/06/why-does-easydns-pro... ) supporting free expression, EasyDNS says that they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority." I have never been to the DailyStormer site, so I don't know if they meet that criteria. If they don't, EasyDNS, while well within their rights, is not living up…

> they will only refuse service to sites that advocate or encourage "physical violence or harm toward an identifiable minority."

So a blog about beating up white christian males for being WCM is fair game? Good news...

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Deny them DNS, Deny them DDOS protection, Deny them hosting, whats left? I mean, not being a neo-Nazi is an option...

The fear that most Free Speech absolutists have is that tomorrow it will be: "I mean, not being a socialist|capitalist|religious individual is an option..." From an Ideals perspective, its a valid and valiant fear, but I don't understand the absolutist position. Legitimate verbal threats are still allowed under absolute free speech, but they obviously produce harm. Should we really allow anyone to threaten the life o…

Cultural rejection of white supremacist and neo-nazi ideology isn't necessarily part of a slippery slope that will inevitably encompass all non-mainstream speech, rather it's a manifestation of free speech. Those beliefs had their trial in the marketplace of ideas and have been found to be culturally toxic, and intellectually and scientifically void. One can believe in free speech while also accepting that speech can have consequences, and that not all ideas have equal value, or necessarily deserve equal consideration.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

I mean, it should give you pause. That's how civil society functions. You should care how your behavior affects other people, and you should be able to respond to immoral behavior without restricting yourself to a rigid core set of principles. The reason the first amendment is so restrained is that the government is too powerful to be trusted with any more power. But people aren't, in fact they're expected to pick up…

"don't want to live in a world where people feel comfortable doing whatever they want as long as it's legal."

Lol why not? Sounds like freedom.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. Please tell us what your business is and we'll be happy to boycott it too.

Do you boycott the ACLU because they support the KKK in free speech cases?

Or the EFF for calling out Google and Cloudflare for kicking Daily Stormer off their services?

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

Preface: this is an honest question, stemming from my own life and current group of friends--the circumstances that frame the issue for me--it isn't intended as snark or a take-down or anything... Do you have many friends right now who are people of color, or queer/gay, or even Jewish? How do you explain to them that you'd like to support the business that goes against the grain and hosts Nazi/white supremacist mater…

Not everyone lets their friends shame them out of their principles.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

Preface: this is an honest question, stemming from my own life and current group of friends--the circumstances that frame the issue for me--it isn't intended as snark or a take-down or anything... Do you have many friends right now who are people of color, or queer/gay, or even Jewish? How do you explain to them that you'd like to support the business that goes against the grain and hosts Nazi/white supremacist mater…

I am distinctly not white. I am pretty much the last person you'd expect to see at a Klan meeting. In fact, I'm pretty sure they'd lynch me.

I don't like what they have to say, but I'm really disheartened that they aren't allowed to say it. Free speech should be a social ideal. The liberty of free speech is a wonderful thing, even if it is sometimes abhorrent speech.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

Preface: this is an honest question, stemming from my own life and current group of friends--the circumstances that frame the issue for me--it isn't intended as snark or a take-down or anything... Do you have many friends right now who are people of color, or queer/gay, or even Jewish? How do you explain to them that you'd like to support the business that goes against the grain and hosts Nazi/white supremacist mater…

you have the privilege (in the 'white' sense) to 'defend free speech' (or whatever your motivation may be). your friends who lack this privilege have to face the very real consequences (providing a platform for the daily stormer) of your support. if you are okay with your actions contributing to the ill being of your friends you're not a very good friend. maybe your principles are worth that but that's on you

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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This is part of a disturbing new trend of "political discrimination". If someone opposes the policies of an identity group, in this case mixed-race marriages, but it could be women, gays, or rural white Christians, then that opposition is labeled "hate". Once labeled, their speech is deemed offensive and censored, and they become fair game for political discrimination, to be fired from their jobs, kicked off social m…

Can you explain what you mean by the "policies of an identity group"? In general the minority identity groups only policy is that they ought to be treated just like everyone else. I'd say that if you're trying to maintain a status quo where the majority is treated preferentially that your opposition is "hate" as is meant by the word today.

What does "treated like everyone else" mean and how do you know when it's been achieved? This kind of standard ranges from the most minimal legal equality of opportunity to full on equality of outcome.

Re: EasyDNS refuses to host The DailyStormer domain

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Somewhat dichotomously, I agree with every position mark takes in the linked post, but at the same time, I'm quietly waiting to see where Daily Stormer ends up landing, so that I can start treating them as the 'real' bastions of free speech, and very likely start throwing them my business. It isn't because I'm sympathetic to the nazis in this scenario, but if you're trying to position yourself as "the free speech reg…

"Free speech" usually refers to government interference to speech, why should a business be required to make what they see as a bad business decision?

Demonstrating cowardice is not always a good business decision. When new business look for a strong, non-cowardly host. I will take notice.
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