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Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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>it would be idiotic to let this madness continue. Why? Inevitably the fools will just run out of money. This "problem" seems to take care of itself.

Because these "fools" once they run out of money will be out on streets taking social security. Then it becomes our problem again.

Then force them to save a certain amount per month. What they do with their disposable income should be left to their discretion.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

I had a discussion about crypto currencies with a pretty high level EU diplomat from the trade commission. His point was simple, as soon as they will consider the crypto currencies as a medium to escape taxes and general "rules" (whatever it means) they will simply ban or regulate them to put them back into the control of a central authority.

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A lot of people seem to suggest that some kind of regulation, or even outright ban, of ICOs is necessary. Apparently in order to prevent people from loosing their money on risky investments? I don't really understand why it is appropriate for someone else to tell me how to spend my hard earned money? Isn't that what freedom of choice is about? Even if I'm being manipulated into a scam, it is still MY choice. Let peop…

If you're being manipulated into a scam, it's not your really your choice, you are not consenting to being scammed, you are consenting to whatever proposition made sense to you on the surface, but was not going to hold up due to withheld information from the recipient of your money. Nobody volunteers or makes a choice to be scammed.

Not all ICOs are scams. Isn't freedom also the freedom to make you own mistakes? I mean, if we were to use your logic for any decisions that may lead to bad outcomes, we would live in a totalitarian state.

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Estonia's gov is famous for adapting new things. I still remember their initiative on e-visa. Actually China is trying to do that too. But crypto coins are made to decentralize things, I wonder how these gov-lead coins will play any parts.

The PRC leadership could "own" a cryptocurrency by securing a majority of nodes in the graph under their control, either physically or by mandating the use of their software, and disallowing the exchange of user-forks off their own coin-base. While users would always be able to use their own forks, the gov would only allow taxes and retail trade to happen with their branch, thus de-legitimizing user forks and reducin…

Privacy doesn't necessarily mean black market. Financial companies couldn't effectively compete were their IP completely public to the competition.

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"only one new bank created in the UK over the last 100 years"? You are quite mistaken here, from the top of my head, Tesco (late 90s) and Monzo (very recent) are 2 examples, and I'm not even into finance.

I'm basing it on this: http://www.computerweekly.com/news/450400615/Digital-only-At... >The bank was the brainchild of Anthony Thomson, who set up Metro Bank in 2009, which was the first new banking organisation to open in the UK since the end of the 19th century. >In April 2016, Atom launched its banking app after regulators lifted a restriction on its authorisation.

The BoE lists all registered banks and building societies at: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/pra/Pages/authorisations/bank... - FWIW, it includes Tesco Bank there. Perhaps Computer Weekly is not the best source of this information?

Anyway, there's well over a hundred banks listed, and around forty building societies, so there's hardly a lack of competition.

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"only one new bank created in the UK over the last 100 years"? You are quite mistaken here, from the top of my head, Tesco (late 90s) and Monzo (very recent) are 2 examples, and I'm not even into finance.

I think what CryptoPunk refers to is that (allegedly) Metro is the only "high street", i.e. with many physical branches, bank created in the UK in the last 100+ years. Given we're in a thread talking about ICOs and tech startups, I would side with you and say this is an irrelevant classification and the claim is wrong. :-P Still interesting though, but given the veritable plethora of recently founded remote-only bank…

Well, having physical branches it really not that important these days. If they give you a way to do usual tasks (change address etc) online or via phone there can be massive savings and increases in efficiency by getting rid of all physical branches.

All that real estate that is now occupied by bank branches can be give to some other businesses that actually need physical space (fashion/clothes, sports, restaurant, gyms etc) to use it more efficiently.

The only reason I had to go to a physical branch this year was to change my address and that is only because my old bank where my main account is doesn't have a way to do this online (seriously I don't understand why is it so difficult to make this a feature of online banking...).

I am using Monzo as my secondary bank and once they give me current account later this year, if it works smoothly and there are no issues I might get rid of my old bank account.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Yeah, what's with consenting adults freely and willingly contracting with each others. I'm glad the powers that be put an end to that madness.

I'm not saying ICO's are scams, but do you think scamming should be legal?

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

It's not sensible at all. It's none of anyone's business what two consenting adults do with their money. The idea of a third party dictating the range of acceptable contractual engagements is absolutely terrible and has profound negative unintended consequences, with the worst of them being licensing barriers to create rent-seeking opportunities (only one new bank created in the UK over the last 100 years).

"Two consenting adults". That is a misrepresentation of reality. You could say the same about Pyramid schemes. No one forced others to buy into it.

The point is ICOs are akin to scams. And there should be a regulations around it.

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Actually I think such bold decisions can only be made by a government that is not encumbered with lobbies and business interests.

what makes you think china's institutions aren't?

Re: China's Central Bank Bans ICOs

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post #45

Finally somebody in position of power stepped in to stop this mad online casino. I was not expecting this sensible move from China, was hoping EU or US would lead the way on regulating this crypto fraud. I hope Fed/ECB follow the Chinese Central Bank and ban ICOs too and start regulating crypto and enforcing some basic rules.

Actually I think such bold decisions can only be made by a government that is not encumbered with lobbies and business interests.

Yes because business interest lobbyists are so pro-ICO...

Venture Capitalists are all on board with a technology that forces them to compete with the masses during seed rounds...

and existing companies are all about upstart competitors having an easier way to get capital early on...

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