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Re: Muesli – An alternative approach to Soylent

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Cool! See the sample here https://dump.bitcheese.net/files/cacobil/muesli-example.html

I cannot comment on the nutritional quality, but the way the ingredients are written down irritated me, e.g. "parsleydried" instead of "dried parsley". It makes it seem more like crafting instructions for Minecraft than a real-world recipe.

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Sources please. 'Inflammation' sets off my pseudo-science detector. And your first point is suggesting carbs are inherently bad 'because inflammation', which I just don't buy.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859324/ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jnme/2012/238056/ http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/5/991.short http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/48/4/677 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11745-007-3132-7 It will also help if you understand the chemistry of carbohydrates vs fats. Carbohydrates are inherently unstable and are much more likely to undergo sponta…

Pretty inpenetrable studies for a layman. At no point do they really say how "inflammation" is harmful to the average healthy person? You seem to have drawn pretty broad conclusions from these very specific studies, that only demonstrate findings like:

> "In conclusion, macronutrient composition of the diet may differentially alter the postprandial pro-oxidative milieu, with high-carbohydrate meals potentially leading to greater oxidative stress response. However, both meals increased circulating IL6, regardless of the type of nutrient consumed."

I don't see how that translates into a sentence like your:

"Carbohydrates aren't so much you body's preferred fuel".

If you can connect the dots clearly I'd love to see it, but the impression I get is people like yourself and the 'inflammation' crowd are taking these very specific studies and totally distorting their meaning to make broader truths.

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Honest question: Do you not enjoy food? What do you think the benefits are? I'm asking because I think I would be severely depressed on such a monotone diet. I love cooking and it gives me great joy to eat good food, or new kinds of food, or even the boring lunch restaurant type food if it's done reasonably well. Lunch is also a nice social event. I'm skipping lunch sometimes (when I'm not that hungry) but I feel lik…

As someone who has struggled with weight for the majority of my life, food and hunger is a constant battle. Being able to just drink something to make the hunger go away without being worried about eating too much or making an impulse decision to buy something unhealthy saves a lot of stress, and makes it much easier to control your diet. While I don't know what OPs reasons are for drinking it, there are usually vali…

Two or three scrambled egg with a goid amount of olive oil or coconut oil usually keep me full for longer stretches over the day without cravings.

Re: Muesli – An alternative approach to Soylent

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One thing I don't understand about soylent is how it can be so expensive and yet still so flawed. First, as a male I am concerned about isoflavones. I've read sources that go either way on how much it actually affects hormone levels, but since I suspect there is a lot more pressure from the agriculture / vegetarian community to make it seem safer than it is than from any other community to not, I lean towards it not…

I think the selling point of soylent is how easy it is to consume. You just drink it and done. Cleaning is as easy as washing your cup. That's an attractive point if you don't enjoy the ritual of eating, or simply want to spend the time doing something else. I agree it is too expensive for what it offers, though.

Even easier to use Ensure - just drink from the bottle and throw it away.

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I personally view Soylant in the same way I do infant formula. It has changed drastically since it was first introduced as we learn more and more about what is in actual breastmilk and why it matters for development. Similarly there are probably many other components in whole foods that are important that we may not even quantify yet. Not to mention the importance of actualy chewing food so that the enzymes from saliva accompany the meal and assist in breaking down various components.

Imagine what Soylant would have looked like 50 years ago and how much it would have been missing. Now imagine how in 50 years we will learn just as much if not more and look back at our crude attempts in the same vain.

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I think the selling point of soylent is how easy it is to consume. You just drink it and done. Cleaning is as easy as washing your cup. That's an attractive point if you don't enjoy the ritual of eating, or simply want to spend the time doing something else. I agree it is too expensive for what it offers, though.

Even easier to use Ensure - just drink from the bottle and throw it away.

Soyent is also sold in prepared bottles that have a shelf life of a year. There’s also 6 flavors to choose from: original, cacao, nectarine, cafe coffiest, cafe vanilla, and cafe chai.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859324/ https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jnme/2012/238056/ http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/5/991.short http://www.onlinejacc.org/content/48/4/677 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11745-007-3132-7 It will also help if you understand the chemistry of carbohydrates vs fats. Carbohydrates are inherently unstable and are much more likely to undergo sponta…

Pretty inpenetrable studies for a layman. At no point do they really say how "inflammation" is harmful to the average healthy person? You seem to have drawn pretty broad conclusions from these very specific studies, that only demonstrate findings like: > "In conclusion, macronutrient composition of the diet may differentially alter the postprandial pro-oxidative milieu, with high-carbohydrate meals potentially leadin…

My conclusions aren't from those studies alone, those are just the ones that popped up quickly for a google scholar search. I don't keep an index of all the studies I read so at times it can be hard to find everything that supports a position I've built up over years of scholarly research (not blogs and lay writing).

I tried to connect the dots a bit with some of the biochemistry of why carbohydrates need to be cleared quickly, it can't simplified much past that. What it comes down to is that oxygen atoms make molecules more chemically reactive than other common elements like carbon and nitrogen. This causes "unintended" reactions, which produce molecules the body doesn't know how to handle. These molecules can directly trigger an immune response, or they can be incorporated into other molecules which causes them to malfunction in various ways. Both cases are bad.

It isn't necessarily the inflammation itself that is bad. Rather, it is a sign that something is going wrong with your body. Usually when inflammation is high, either you have something foreign in your body, or your cells are killing themselves for some reason, and immune cells are being activated to "clean up" the debris.

Re: Muesli – An alternative approach to Soylent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has struggled with weight for the majority of my life, food and hunger is a constant battle. Being able to just drink something to make the hunger go away without being worried about eating too much or making an impulse decision to buy something unhealthy saves a lot of stress, and makes it much easier to control your diet. While I don't know what OPs reasons are for drinking it, there are usually vali…

How much exercise are you doing?

I exercise every day. But the amount that I eat has always been more of an issue for me. It doesn't matter how much you exercise if you eat too much

Re: Muesli – An alternative approach to Soylent

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has struggled with weight for the majority of my life, food and hunger is a constant battle. Being able to just drink something to make the hunger go away without being worried about eating too much or making an impulse decision to buy something unhealthy saves a lot of stress, and makes it much easier to control your diet. While I don't know what OPs reasons are for drinking it, there are usually vali…

Two or three scrambled egg with a goid amount of olive oil or coconut oil usually keep me full for longer stretches over the day without cravings.

That would be fine, but the amount of time that would take to prepare isn't something I would do in the morning. But being able to get a drink out of the fridge makes it much easier

Re: Muesli – An alternative approach to Soylent

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Do you not enjoy food? What do you think the benefits are? I'm asking because I think I would be severely depressed on such a monotone diet. I love cooking and it gives me great joy to eat good food, or new kinds of food, or even the boring lunch restaurant type food if it's done reasonably well. Lunch is also a nice social event. I'm skipping lunch sometimes (when I'm not that hungry) but I feel lik…

The choice for me is pretty simple. No breakfast, or soylent. I'd rather be eating something than nothing. If I have the chance to eat a real meal I take it, but there are also times where I literally can't. Idk why it is suddenly in vogue to shit on people for being busy.

I eat a Mediterranean breakfast, but I don't smoke so I just have a coffee ️

And a large glass of water. If I'm really low on energy I'll have a fruit.

I've heard all life that breakfast is the most important meal, but it turns out to be a marketing slogan, and it might actually be good with a long period without high blood sugar.

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