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DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

What alt-left? Are you referring to community defense groups trying to protect their communities from Nazis? Dangerous to whom?

No, I'm referring to the alt-left who attacked white supremacists, minorities and Trump supporters in Charlottesville.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

And the alt-right is getting dumber. Seriously, "bigleaguepolitics.com"? Are you going to peddle Seth Rich conspiracy theories now too? Because that's also on their front page.

Like I said, I just searched on twitter for the knife attack and clicked the first link. Disregard the source. Was this man not knifed?

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DreamHost is probably going to lose. The warrant is actually quite standard. Basically the DOJ is just grabbing everything so they can filter through the comments and logs at their convenience. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

In the physical world, the government can search only one apartment in an apartment building with a single warrant; it can’t search the entire apartment building. Are the collective records of a website more like an apartment building or a single apartment? If this is the reasoning they're going then yes, Dreamhost is out of luck. One account is pretty obviously an apartment on a server (building) with the website be…

Context can be important, too.

Perhaps the website is the "apartment building" and the accounts on the website are the apartments. In that case, not so obvious.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#94

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

Response to this is overwhelmingly "private corps reserve to right to political speech within their premises"

I found hobby-lobby's denial of contraception illegal and unconstitutional, and I find Google/GoDaddy's actions unreasonable. In both cases, the left and right leaning crowd claimed the exact same exemption for their unreasonable actions. You're all the same - free speech and freedom when it suits you.

The whole motivation behind free speech is to keep it free, especially when it's unpalatable

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#95

The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

What alt-left? Are you referring to community defense groups trying to protect their communities from Nazis? Dangerous to whom?

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Eric Clanton.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#97
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It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being executed against an organization exercising political speech. That's very different from, say, the DoJ requesting visitor logs to a film torrent site.

> It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being > executed against an organization exercising political > speech. Why? If you hurt me (many innocent people were hurt), but you do it because you feel "political", it's OK? Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

The express purpose of Free Speech provisions is to prevent the government from persecuting citizens engaged in political speech that the government happens to dislike.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#98
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I wonder if eff will support them. Probably semi annual reminder time to consider donating to eff

Yes they are helping.

Is the government really asking for all those visitor logs?

"Yes, they definitely are," says Electronic Frontier Foundation senior staff attorney Mark Rumold. EFF advocates for Internet privacy and free speech, and has advised DreamHost in its case.

Rumold tells NPR that when DreamHost first approached EFF about responding to the warrant, he guessed "that DOJ would realize how broad the warrant was, and say, oh you know, in fact we're not actually looking for IP logs for everyone who's ever visited the site" and would narrow its request accordingly.

But instead, the government insisted on DreamHost's compliance with the warrant as written.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#99
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being executed against an organization exercising political speech. That's very different from, say, the DoJ requesting visitor logs to a film torrent site.

> It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being > executed against an organization exercising political > speech. Why? If you hurt me (many innocent people were hurt), but you do it because you feel "political", it's OK? Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

Many countries have different rules (and even sentences limits or additional rights for political prisoners) for politically motivated acts. It's because these are vital to democracy.

But I agree with you and hold a more cynical view that it's because laws are made by politicians.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being executed against an organization exercising political speech. That's very different from, say, the DoJ requesting visitor logs to a film torrent site.

> It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being > executed against an organization exercising political > speech. Why? If you hurt me (many innocent people were hurt), but you do it because you feel "political", it's OK? Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

> Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

Yes, core political speech is Constitutionally protected [1]. You can charge people being violent while protecting their rights to say stupid things.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_Unite...

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

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