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Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the c…

Communists were globalist socialists and the Nazis were nationalist socialists. Hitler went after the communists because he felt they wanted to subjugate Germans under an international Jewish global finance regime (1%ers again).

Nazis, arguably, were nationalist socialists in something more meaningful than just the party name—before Hitler took over and redirected the party.

Afterwards, they were even more clearly nationalist, but not at all socialist.

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#92
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Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game. Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler: 1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests") 2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya) 3. Arme…

Well, you are really reaching there. Hitler liked Beethoven and so did Obama is not a valid comparison. I gave specific examples of undermining democracy. Building a healthcare system is not undermining democracy nor is bombing Libya. Bombing foreign countries is an American tradition like Football on Sunday

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#93
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The problem is that his first reaction was to basically say both sides were equally wrong. In this context the two sides where A) neo-nazis and white supremacists, and B) counter protestors who were there to oppose the neo-nazis and white supremacists. This was not a BLM rally, this was an alt-right rally. There might have been some BLM members there, there might even have been some antifa there, but the majority of…

I'll reiterate myself because it apparently wasn't clear the first time. I agree with your stance. The appropriate thing to do would have been to explicitly call out the group whose violence escalated the highest. But to pretend this is the first of this type of incident is a lie. And to pretend that other groups that lean left have not had politically motivated violence and murder recently is also a lie. I welcome y…

And once again you ignore the elephant in the room. The neo-nazis and white supremacists irrespective of any violent acts are wrong and should be vehemently and regularly denounced as unamerican detestable organizations. BLM has a good mission and purpose. Yes there may be some individuals in the organization that have reacted in inappropriate and violent ways, but the organization as a whole is a positive thing. By not denouncing the neo-nazis and white supremacists in general, and specifically in this case where they resorted to violence, Trump is tacitly approving of them, which shows he is wholly inappropriate to be the president of the United States.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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post #53

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Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game. Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler: 1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests") 2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya) 3. Arme…

> Designed a national healthcare system with a close analogue in Hitler's national socialist healthcare

And this is bad... why?

As a European that has lived in 3 countries with free public health, I always find this argument baffling.

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#95
post #87

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"Corporations are people." And it behooves them to be politically correct at all times.

Literal nazis are waking the streets in nation that leads the free world. Save us this "political correctness gone mad" BS.

Literal communists are walking the streets with soviet flags and Stalin portraits. Far left and far right is just different sides to the same coin. Save us your "omg nazis"

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post #71

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/04/thernstrom.identity.p... Then, I guess Trump learned from the best.

Pushing a diverse melting pot isn't the same as forcing for white supremacy.

1. America is the melting pot of the world, no pushing is required. Hiring based on ability; regardless of color, religion, etc., is required.

2. Trump is pushing against white supremacy:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/trump-condemns-charlo...

"Trump calls KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists 'repugnant'"

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

#97
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game. Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler: 1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests") 2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya) 3. Arme…

I don't think there is a game to know in this instance. Failing to recognize authoritian leaders and their often zealous followers has killed far to many people through history to be dismissed easily. Hopefully Trump is not either one of them, or paving the way for one, but it's certainly no game.

I'm sure Obama did things wrong, but all that has already happened, and I fail to see how it's even remotely relevant to actual current events, and it doesn't in any way refute what the parent poster wrote.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

#98
post #94

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Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game. Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler: 1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests") 2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya) 3. Arme…

> Designed a national healthcare system with a close analogue in Hitler's national socialist healthcare And this is bad... why? As a European that has lived in 3 countries with free public health, I always find this argument baffling.

It's bad becaus even though it's a step in the right direction it's a horrible, half-assed botchling that no one can afford in the long term anyway? None of the actual issues were fixed, your healthcare cost increases are completely runaway and untenable

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…

Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game. Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler: 1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests") 2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya) 3. Arme…

Seriously?

1.) That might be populist opinion but surely is not comparable to what Hitler did. Or do you seriously claim that people like Sanders, Warren use the same rhetoric as Hitler? That's ridiculous. Hitler was blaming Jews and other minorities and the Versailles treaty for the bad economic situation in Germany. Interestingly Trump is doing the same thing (Nafta, China, Mexicans etc)

2.) The overthrow of the Libyen regime was mainly pushed and pursued by us Europeans (France, England, etc). The USA was in the beginning hesitant and eventually participated. Just to make clear: This was a stupid decision and Obama also admitted this as his worst mistake. Hitler never admitted a mistake or defeat (see Leningrad). Guess what Trump also does not admit

3.) Sorry, but that's part of geopolitics (just to make it clear: It's actually the reason why half of the world is fucked up by wars) and almost every powerful nation has done this in the past and will do this in future. So not sure what you are comparing here.

4.) So then almost all of Europe must have a Nazi healthcare system? Hitler was also a fascist and thus more an ally of corporations, banks and companies than of the people. Some of his policies could have been mistaken as socialist but in reality they were part of his plan to please the population (construction of highways, pumping money into the economy for short term gain). His entire ideology was built around a super-race and elites which is quite the opposite what a "socialist" healthcare system is all about.

5.) Citation needed for the fact that 2/3 of Americans dislike transgender bathrooms. Trump's policies (taxes, healthcare) are so unpopular that he can't even pass them with a Republican Senate and House. Apart from that Hitler tapped into a huge antisemitic sentiment that was carried by a wide majority of people. If that hadn't been the case, he would have never be able to create his Nazi regime. I also think this is the main difference to today. The alt-right, KKK and Nazi clowns are a minority - a loud one - but still a minority. So I don't think that we are facing another Nazi regime. Nevertheless you can clearly see similarities between Trump and Hitler behavior. The only difference is that Trump lacks the intellectual capacity (maybe Bannon has it) in order to pull something off that Hitler had done.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

#100
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Just yesterday: > "For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!" https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/89747827044214374... How many had already quit and this was just to stop further embarrassing himself?

> The President’s Strategic and Policy Forum was conceived as a bi-partisan group of business leaders called to serve our country by providing independent feedback and perspectives directly to the President on accelerating economic growth and job creation in the United States.

This "Strategic and Policy Forum" existed for the sole purpose of promoting the individual company interests... Such as how to best offshore the work-force, pay less taxes, etc.

This backhanded manipulation and dealings did not work on Trump as well as it did on the previous presidents.

So now they are disbanding (as they serve no purpose), and using this moment to attempt to discredit the person they could not manipulate.

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