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Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by etplayer » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:29 AM UTC

diogenescynic wrote: post #9

Meh, I have a hard time caring about this because I want Google to block propaganda and misinformation. From my experience, socialist websites and forums tend to ignore, rewrite, or white wash the history of communism in Russia/USSR, Venezuela, and even North Korea. So much so that the No True Scotsman fallacy should just be the No True Socialist fallacy. Go check out /r/socialism if you want your head to spin. Accor…

>From my experience, socialist websites and forums tend to ignore, rewrite, or white wash the history of communism in Russia/USSR

Your experience is irrelevant, because we're talking about a particular case, not a hypothetical website. Do you have evidence that your experience applies in this particular case, or are you just generalising? For a user named after a philosopher, you don't seem to be very keen to apply logic in this circumstance, perhaps because of bias or bad prior experience.

Not to mention you're grouping in several tendencies and ideologies and opinions within a very broad movement that's lasted 200 years to date in your criticism, which is at best inaccurate and at worst disingenuous.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by etplayer » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:30 AM UTC

diogenescynic wrote: post #82

KekDemaga wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist."

Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points. They hate having their ideas challenged, but get mad that a public company won't give them web traffic? Cry me a river.

>Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated

I'm a member of at least one such forum which isn't heavily moderated.

>and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points

The forum I use prides itself on allowing such discussion.

>They hate having their ideas challenged

I love having my ideas challenged, and I love arguing, who are you constructing a straw man of?

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by hellbanner » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:34 AM UTC

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #47

ReadEvalPost wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that correct? Looking at their website they're currently running a lecture series/look back at the Russian revolution: http://www.wsws.org/en/special/1917/chronology.html None of it seems to be conspiracy theory or low-quality material.

"...what Google, working with the highest levels of the state intelligence apparatus, does not want them to find." I'd classify that as conspiracy theory.

It is a conspiracy theory.

Do you have a better explanation?

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by hellbanner » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:35 AM UTC

diogenescynic wrote: post #82

KekDemaga wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist."

Ironic because Socialist forums are heavily moderated and quickly ban those who don't repeat the talking points. They hate having their ideas challenged, but get mad that a public company won't give them web traffic? Cry me a river.

Give some examples if you're going to name names.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by bastawhiz » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:38 AM UTC

hellbanner wrote: post #93

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...what Google, working with the highest levels of the state intelligence apparatus, does not want them to find." I'd classify that as conspiracy theory.

It is a conspiracy theory. Do you have a better explanation?

I think you mean that it's a conspiracy, and I think there are plenty of better explanations than Google working secretly with governments to promote capitalism.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by rand_r » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:39 AM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #83

I have no way to tell if this was deliberate or not, but personally I lost any respect and trust in Google the day they removed the discussion search filter. Before that day I could find common people talking about a product or a political issue, now unless I'm prepared to jump dozens of pages I'm inundated by sites selling that product or affiliated with that political orientation.

> they removed the discussion search filter.

Could you provide more detail on this search filter? I haven't heard about its removal before and it sounds interesting.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by mhermher » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:45 AM UTC

evanlivingston wrote: post #19

diogenescynic wrote: post #9

Meh, I have a hard time caring about this because I want Google to block propaganda and misinformation. From my experience, socialist websites and forums tend to ignore, rewrite, or white wash the history of communism in Russia/USSR, Venezuela, and even North Korea. So much so that the No True Scotsman fallacy should just be the No True Socialist fallacy. Go check out /r/socialism if you want your head to spin. Accor…

Who determines what is misinformation?

A private company with no oversight, obviously.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by mhermher » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:47 AM UTC

CurtMonash wrote: post #75

I'm an anti-censorship extremist, but this doesn't feel to me like censorship. After all, the site is being discussed here on HN, and I'm sure it could also be found through many other search engines, portals, or whatever. Even if we get to the point that certain pages are only likely to be found via 10-20 year old technologies, so what? Those technologies were invented for text articles and still work well for them,…

Then you're probably not an anti-censorship extremist. If (big if) what the post is alleging is true, then it is pretty egregious.

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by diogenescynic » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:48 AM UTC

mhermher wrote: post #97

evanlivingston wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who determines what is misinformation?

A private company with no oversight, obviously.

No oversight whatsoever... none... obviously.

And really, would you seriously prefer the government to set search rankings? Because they have no conflict of interest either, right?

Re: Google blocked every one of the WSWS’s 45 top search terms

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Post by Gibbon1 » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 2:52 AM UTC

evolve2017 wrote: post #11

leereeves wrote: post #4

When Google, Facebook, and others announced that they were banning "fake news", many on the left cheered. But it was probably naive to assume Google would limit itself to censoring political opinions with which one disagrees.

I don't quite understand the snark in your response - were you, unlike the purported cheering liberals, fond of the purveyors of fake news?

He's saying be very very careful what you wish for.

You can think of it this way, do you really really want some particular corporation or government agency to have that tool in their toolbox? Because if they do they'll use it.

Kinda like right to work laws designed to prevent 'illegal' emigrants from working. You really really want the government to be able to prevent you from getting a job?