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ThyssenKrupp Multi – world’s first rope-free elevator [video]

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Accelerating and decelerating in line with gravity is a lot more forgiving on the occupants than lateral accelerations. Seems like this would put a big limit on horizontal movement.

Like buses and trams put a limit on horizontal movement? ;) Honestly though, as long as the change of direction is somehow indicated in advance, and the acceleration isn't too abrupt, there shouldn't be anything limiting the horizontal travel distance.

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#92

The big benefit is that you get more than one elevator per shaft. For skyscrapers the amount of floor space wasted by elevators grows exponentially by the number of floors. Say you have a 5 story building that needs a one shaft elevator. 5 floors tiles 100 sqft per floor is 500 sqft of wasted shaft space. Then say you have a 10 story building that needs two shafts. Now you are wasting 10 floors times two shafts or 2,…

Paternosters. You say terrifying, I say fun. There's one in Leicester University (not the only one in the UK, I'm sure). Really not that dangerous, with a cable near the top of each aperture that triggers a stop if it's touched.

The SF garage my fiancee parks in has this thing made from an industrial belt, with steps bolted onto it. I think there are quite a few of those in Stuttgart as well, though they are being fazed out. It's very efficient, but not for ze stupits!

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Off-topic, who is the narrator? I think I've heard him on another German "corporate presentation" video, and I can hear a slight German accent... And back on-topic, googling to find the details instead of just a flashy video, here's Tom Scott on MULTI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTsbFS4xmI

I have heard him before as well narrating stuff I'm German. Sadly I have no idea who he is.

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#95

The big benefit is that you get more than one elevator per shaft. For skyscrapers the amount of floor space wasted by elevators grows exponentially by the number of floors. Say you have a 5 story building that needs a one shaft elevator. 5 floors tiles 100 sqft per floor is 500 sqft of wasted shaft space. Then say you have a 10 story building that needs two shafts. Now you are wasting 10 floors times two shafts or 2,…

Sorry to sound stupid, but how is that exponential? Isn't it O(mn) where m = number of floors and n = number of shafts?

EDIT: Unless there's some dependence between m and n, like if taller buildings always need more shafts or something.

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#96

The big benefit is that you get more than one elevator per shaft. For skyscrapers the amount of floor space wasted by elevators grows exponentially by the number of floors. Say you have a 5 story building that needs a one shaft elevator. 5 floors tiles 100 sqft per floor is 500 sqft of wasted shaft space. Then say you have a 10 story building that needs two shafts. Now you are wasting 10 floors times two shafts or 2,…

Sorry to sound stupid, but how is that exponential? Isn't it O(mn) where m = number of floors and n = number of shafts? EDIT: Unless there's some dependence between m and n, like if taller buildings always need more shafts or something.

> like if taller buildings always need more shafts or something

The dependence is on keeping wait times reasonable. Taller buildings mean each shaft's elevator spends more time travelling, i.e. less time being available.

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#98
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looks expensive to build, purchase and maintain. not sure there's anything "revolutionary" here.

The cable/belt mechanism of elevators has remained largely unchanged for most of it's history because of its simplicity in design, manufacturing, and maintenance. This new system is absolutely beautiful, but I agree, it looks expensive. Elevators have to work 24/7 with little maintenance, it will be very interesting to see this in the real world.

Re: ThyssenKrupp Multi – world’s first rope-free elevator [video]

#99

The big benefit is that you get more than one elevator per shaft. For skyscrapers the amount of floor space wasted by elevators grows exponentially by the number of floors. Say you have a 5 story building that needs a one shaft elevator. 5 floors tiles 100 sqft per floor is 500 sqft of wasted shaft space. Then say you have a 10 story building that needs two shafts. Now you are wasting 10 floors times two shafts or 2,…

That's polynomial growth

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100+*+f+*+ceil(f%2F10)

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#100

Am I the only one who noticed that the first elevator shown in the video, while the narrator discussed the birth of the elevator in 1854, is gear-based and hence rope-free?!

The first elevator is a Elisha Otis demonstration of the elevator brake. You can see the rope snap, and the teeth on the side stop the elevator. The gears were presumable to pull the rope up for the demo.
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