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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by djsumdog »

dmamills wrote: post #71
dmamills wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that HN hates "unproductive comments", but I feel my comment is as likely as effective of "raising net neutrality awareness" as the silly grey logo bar topping this website right now.

I'm glad this comment sits at the bottom of this post. It's reflective of how the zeitgeist actually cares about this issue. The Battle For the Net website mentions a vast range of online companies who apparently stood in solidarity to take action on this day. * Github: a blog post displayed on your feed. * Etsy: Nothing. * Kickstarter: Nothing. * Netflix: Nothing. * Twitter: Nothing. * Vimeo: A featured video on the…

Reddit did have a pop-up with a slow moving GIF.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by cracell »

scottLobster wrote: post #8
ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

I know right? The question for me is why? Netflix has gone on record saying "well, we're big enough to negotiate the deals we want so we don't particularly care if the ladder gets pulled up behind us". I imagine many other big corporations/sites are in similar positions. But even so I doubt they'd want to make said deals in the first place, they'd be expensive. So isn't a stronger response in their best interest? Or…

I think they just don't see the point.

I don't think the people pushing to dismantle net neutrality are stupid. They know that removing it is bad for innovation and consumers but they'd rather help the ISPs make more money than help keep America's economy healthy overall.

Probably because they directly receive benefits from the ISPs.

So since we are all being ignored, why will yelling louder make a difference?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by 333c »

mnm1 wrote: post #13

Sorry Google (and FB, Amazon, etc.) this doesn't actually count as taking action. Not even a single link on their home page. An obscure post on a blog won't do shit. Let's stop pretending that you want net neutrality, Google, et al. Day of action my fucking ass.

Seriously! I went to Google's homepage to check how they did their Doodle for net neutrality, only to discover a Doodle entirely unrelated to the topic. I'm on a slow-ish connection, so each panel took a little while to load, and I thought that the load times were a feature of the Doodle at first. Nope. They have no mention of it today.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by natch »

Am I going blind, or is Google not listed here amongst the companies listed as participants behind battleforthenet.com?

https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/#participants

Why, Google?

Yes I see they sponsored https://netneutrality.internetassociation.org/action/ but why not get behind both sites?

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by scottLobster »

bratsche wrote: post #77
krath94 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is pissed because the Internet is now under Title II making it nearly impossible for them to lay their fiber along public roads anymore. You know how to really fuck over Comcast? Allow google to bring Fiber to every major city. But they can't because regulation.

Then maybe they, or Chairman Pai or someone, can talk about how to protect net neutrality in some way other than Title II. Title II was instituted basically as a last resort. And nobody has been coming forward saying, "Okay.. we have a plan here to undo the Title II but still preserve net neutrality."

To be fair, the previous FCC tried that. The courts struck it down and told them if they wanted to regulated ISPs in that manner they had to go Title II.

Non-Title II regulation of ISPs would require an act of Congress, a Republican-held congress with a Republican President. Good luck with that. :P

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by jansho »

ambicapter wrote: post #6

This has been the weakest day of action I could imagine. I thought sites were going to be throttled. Turns out its just some color changes and, oh, reddit has a fancy "slow-loading" gif for their website name. A real wake-up call!

Well it's certainly made me pause when I saw HN's fancy grey header.

That's perhaps the intention. Raise awareness first, then come together to do something. It's gonna take lots of days of action over the years to gain momentum..

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by kingbirdy »

krath94 wrote: post #72
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

"Yeah we're gonna teach them that censorship is wrong by censoring people!!!"

But they'd just be censoring themselves

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by omgitstom »

rtx wrote: post #7

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: Why He's Rejecting Net Neutrality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

I love how Ajit keeps saying 'it does not happen' where traffic is limited or blocked. It was limited, we saw this by Comcast with Netflix back in 2014.

This is what we are getting ready to get back into. I do not want to have an internet where the ISP can hold me (the consumer) hostage to other companies to increase the ISPs bottom line. It isn't a good experience for the consumer, it isn't a good experience for providers of media and apps.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by raverbashing »

bnewbold wrote: post #59
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. Also, the belief that there would be "competitors in the user's area that don't play stupid games" that offer comparable services (eg, within a factor of 5x bandwidth-per-dollar value) seems to be a misunderstanding of the utility/monopoly/duopoly economics in play in many regions of the USA.

Of course it is

If ISPs don't see the point in it then they can't complain when other don't follow it (and they get the shaft)

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by bobcallme »

Tasboo wrote: post #55
bobcallme wrote: post #32

"Net Neutrality" in its final form did not solve or fix any problems with the Internet. The definition of "Net Neutrality" is poorly defined, too vague and does not have any proposed legislation attached to "fix" things. Even when new rules were implemented, ISPs still throttled torrents and manipulated traffic. The only way to fix the Internet is to do so from a technical perspective, not by adding more regulations…

So since it doesn't do everything you want you are totally against it?

> "Net Neutrality" in its final form did not solve or fix any problems with the Internet.

I'm against it because it as an idea has failed in both its proposal and implementation. If people are going to whine and rally for a "fix", they should at least propose an action that will actually fix things instead of complaining. Proposing new legislation (which I'm not fully in favor of) or expanding rules would be doing something.

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