Can we get this switched from Verge's blogspam to the original source? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/05/tesla-sex...
Thanks, we've updated the link from https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/5/15922816/tesla-sexism-hara... to this.
Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
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Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but to say that Tesla sanctions systematic discrimination and harassment of women based on just one accusation and "anonymous" sources is a classic liberal playbook move.
Hearing "Alinksy playbook" in 2017 is like hearing "Who Let the Dogs Out" in 2017. https://www.villagevoice.com/2012/01/29/ally-ally-alinsky-ri... If you wish to be taken seriously by intelligent adults, maybe try to find a way to make your point that isn't just a word salad comprised of decade-old shibboleths.
Maybe you should read it? The patterns are unmistakable.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is not a problem that will ever go away in general. So people get tired of it. If you're tired of reading about it, imagine how exhausting it must be for women who have to actually live with it.
While sitting in his open office with another employee next to me my boss, the owner of the company, bellowed at me "If I were 30 years younger, I'd jump over this table and fuck you!" I laughed. Two months later I received my bonus; the day after that I gave notice. That comment wasn't the worst thing he had said or done to me. That also wasn't the first time I had been harassed at work. In the beginning it was a li…
> Don't fight. Don't argue. Just leave. There are men and women who deal with harassment everyday gracefully.
That's a horrifically regressive view on this. Why should the person being harassed have to leave? Why can't the person doing the harassing be forced out? And saying that leaving quietly is "handling it gracefully" puts the entire burden on the victim, as if not just graciously accepting someone's sexual advances is causing a nuisance to the rest of the company.
If you expect all women who are the victims of sexual harassment to leave their jobs without making a fuss, you can't be surprised when people write long thinkpieces on the software industry is lacking in female representation.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
No kidding. Knowing how Musk is idolized around here, was anticipating some defense, but the ability to harness Trump to ignore real problems in these companies, that's..wow. And it's the top-most comment right now. How does that work?
Trump supporters are snowflakes who need safespaces and are always on the offensive to make sure you know they are the real victims.
Outright trolling like this is not OK on Hacker News. Please don't do it again.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If the individual were under-performing then that would have been adequate reason to fire them Not if they had a claim of harassment, which is my point. Now any firing looks like retaliation, similarly to what is being claimed by Vandermeyden's lawyer. According to Tesla, she was fired for false accusations of harassment, as proven by an independent third party investigation (reported in the link). But because she m…
If an individual were genuinely under-performing, and the company were decently managed, then there would be a paper trail of feedback and attempts to rectify the situation which would indicate that the individual was not performing adequately. Such a paper trail is what allows a company to defend itself in wrongful dismissal lawsuits. The sort of lawsuit that arises when an individual is wrongfully dismissed for non…
poor performance and harassment are discreet issues. both can be true (or both false). as such, any record of performance isn't by nature proof of non-retaliation.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#96https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15724520/tesla-fires-femal... >Tesla fired the female engineer who earlier this year publicly made claims about “unwanted and pervasive harassment” at the electric carmaker, according to The Guardian. Tesla says it was justified in firing the engineer, AJ Vandermeyden, because her accusations were false, but Vandermeyden’s lawyers allege that it amounts to retaliation. I don't mean t…
Holy shit. "from a game theory perspective" may be the single most bullshit y-combinator comment of all time. "The pros vastly outweigh the cons" what fucking planet do you live on? The fucking article is how the women got fired, completely contradicting your goofy idea about how it's a win and you're 'safe'. but the HUGE mindfuck here is that you believe thousands of men and women are outright lying in the biggest c…
No matter what we're replying to, the commenting guidelines always apply and this one seriously violates them. The discussions never get better, only predictably worse, when we post like this.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trump supporters are snowflakes who need safespaces and are always on the offensive to make sure you know they are the real victims.
Outright trolling like this is not OK on Hacker News. Please don't do it again.
Misogyny, peddling conspiracy theories and blatant victim blaming are acceptable though? How about sarcasm?
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
While sitting in his open office with another employee next to me my boss, the owner of the company, bellowed at me "If I were 30 years younger, I'd jump over this table and fuck you!" I laughed. Two months later I received my bonus; the day after that I gave notice. That comment wasn't the worst thing he had said or done to me. That also wasn't the first time I had been harassed at work. In the beginning it was a li…
> Don't fight. Don't argue. Just leave. There are men and women who deal with harassment everyday gracefully. That's a horrifically regressive view on this. Why should the person being harassed have to leave? Why can't the person doing the harassing be forced out? And saying that leaving quietly is "handling it gracefully" puts the entire burden on the victim, as if not just graciously accepting someone's sexual adva…
No, it's a self-efficacious view. I never see myself as a victim. There is no burden. And that's where I can't see eye-to-eye with you on your thoughts.
I've gotten tired of the thinkpieces and the people who write them. They're not doing anything but writing sanctimonious bullshit from their ivory tower. I take action. Whether you think leaving a toxic workplace quietly is not an acceptable response, then that's your opinion.
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#99(I wonder if the lovely gentlemen here realise that being a victim of harassment is stressful enough to impact performance.)
Re: Others are speaking up about discrimination at Tesla
#100Nearly all of the top-level comments thus far are disgusting and shameful. What is wrong with this place?
This satirical article kinda nails it: http://reductress.com/post/man-in-male-dominated-field-says-...
I wouldn't be surprised if that exact conversation have actually happened.