Extreme left is probably not quite right, "totalitarian left" would probably be closer to the mark. A left that considers all its views and actions beyond question and wields social justice ideas as weapons against dissent. For example, remember how every criticism of Hillary Clinton the neoliberal warmonger was and still is blamed on misogyny? How Sanders and his supporters were smeared as sexists and racists and all sorts? Every single idea in the modern social justice arsenal has become a cynical tool to protect the powerful and the status quo. And don't even get me started on the gloating about poor, lower-class white folks dying of drug addictions, or the articles in rags like the Guardian hoping for the day when demographic shifts mean the Democrats don't have to care about what happens to them anymore because their votes are irrelevant; Richard Spencer couldn't come up with a better fucking argument for white supremacy if he tried. It doesn't matter that none of this is actually left-wing, because it's beyond criticism or challenge.
A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and Its Effects on the Web [pdf]
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#92There is no way to study 4chan. It's like an electron, if you measure it, it's position will change and you'll be back to the start. the majority of /pol/ posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative They are looking at a board full of "trolls trolling trolls" as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same c…
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#93There is no way to study 4chan. It's like an electron, if you measure it, it's position will change and you'll be back to the start. the majority of /pol/ posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative They are looking at a board full of "trolls trolling trolls" as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same c…
While I appreciate the idea that nature is hard to predict. We have seen many cases where nature has a predictible flow. Now, predicting it and influencing it are two different concepts. And while a board based on mania and joy of free thought may be predictable, influence it may be more difficult due to an effective way of self preservation and reliance on truth based entertainment
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm also old enough to remember /r/chimpire and other explicitly racist right wing subreddits who had massive support, well before the rise /r/the_donald. Hell, I even remember discussing the organized stormfront propaganda raids. To me, crying about the lack of conservatism is just code for "people don't follow my ideologies exactly, therefore I'm being oppressed." I follow plenty of subreddits where there is plenty…
> people don't follow my ideologies exactly, therefore I'm being oppressed Thats a nasty little remark. Keep it civil.
Why is that uncivil? A lot of online discussion seems to be exactly this.
Re: A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and Its Effects on the Web [pdf]
#95There is no way to study 4chan. It's like an electron, if you measure it, it's position will change and you'll be back to the start. the majority of /pol/ posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative They are looking at a board full of "trolls trolling trolls" as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same c…
>Extremely doubtful. 4Chan would be considered a "Chaotic Neutral" character. They do terrible stuff and great stuff, but no group can harness it for their own purposes. "Not your personal Army" is a common theme - which the study didn't even pay attention to. If the group smells blood they will attack, no matter who it is or what cause, "4 teh lulz." I mean that's where "Anonymous" basically originated.
I think this sums up 2012 4chan perfectly. However things have changed drastically. There is an extremely rigid, narrowly defined viewpoint of alt-right Trumpism there now. If you do not fall in line with it, you will be ostracized and targeted for attack. Before it was all about the 'lulz' and attacking people for no good reason. It is now an organized right wing hate machine with a very specific ideology.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you interact with "universities"? Personally I have no idea what the typical atmosphere is on university campuses. Of course I'm aware of the protests that make the main stream media, but it seems silly to just assume that those small numbers of protests are broadly representative.
> Of course I'm aware of the protests that make the main stream media, but it seems silly to just assume that those small numbers of protests are broadly representative. You have to assume that a protest is representative of something larger. It's not like there's the normal population and then there's a few hundred people crazy enough to protest for reason X. Much more likely, they have a network of support, people…
You've subbed in "something larger" where I said "broadly representative".
Do you think the protests are broadly representative of attitudes at universities? Because sure, I bet that there are more than just the protesters. But colleges have pretty big populations, so the supporters of 40 protesters can still be a couple hundred people out of tens of thousands.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
> people don't follow my ideologies exactly, therefore I'm being oppressed Thats a nasty little remark. Keep it civil.
Why is that uncivil? A lot of online discussion seems to be exactly this.
It's especially funny considering the argument of the person calling for me to censor my thoughts is the same person crying that conservatives are forced to censor their thoughts.
Re: A Study of 4chan’s Politically Incorrect Forum and Its Effects on the Web [pdf]
#98There is no way to study 4chan. It's like an electron, if you measure it, it's position will change and you'll be back to the start. the majority of /pol/ posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative They are looking at a board full of "trolls trolling trolls" as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same c…
>Extremely doubtful. 4Chan would be considered a "Chaotic Neutral" character. They do terrible stuff and great stuff, but no group can harness it for their own purposes. "Not your personal Army" is a common theme - which the study didn't even pay attention to. If the group smells blood they will attack, no matter who it is or what cause, "4 teh lulz." I mean that's where "Anonymous" basically originated. I think this…
>I think this sums up 2012 4chan perfectly. However things have changed drastically. There is an extremely rigid, narrowly defined viewpoint of alt-right Trumpism there now. If you do not fall in line with it, you will be ostracized and targeted for attack. Before it was all about the 'lulz' and attacking people for no good reason. It is now an organized right wing hate machine with a very specific ideology.
/pol/ is almost entirely satire. The fact that so many people are falling for said satire makes it even funnier.
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#99There is no way to study 4chan. It's like an electron, if you measure it, it's position will change and you'll be back to the start. the majority of /pol/ posts (about 84%) are either neutral or negative They are looking at a board full of "trolls trolling trolls" as they like to put it and then coming to the conclusion that everyone is negative. The leap then is when it comes to tying it to hate speech in the same c…
These researchers will never organically reach 4chan because they are most likely well adjusted people. They have no need for such a community.
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#100I'm definitely falling into the "X.com used to be so much better back then!!" trope but I really hate how much /pol/ culture spread throughout 4chan. I spent a lot of time between 2006-2014 on various boards like /a/, /mu/, /g/, and /int/ until suddenly everyone was an "SJW cuck" and everything was politicized/full of angry wannabe-right wingers. Made me quit the site (well, that and other things). Sometimes you just…
> until suddenly everyone was an "SJW cuck" and everything was politicized/full of angry wannabe-right wingers I guess this is actually a response/reaction to the extreme political correctness coming from many places around the World. I think this will last until "society" redeems free speech and people actually begin to have real dialogs.
I would buy this if not for the fact that:
1) simply asking for a modicum of respect is often conflated for political correctness
2) liking the wrong kind of music or finding the wrong hairstyle attractive garners a person this kind of treatment - which is the context GP is referring to
and
3) these words are used as silencing tactics in the same way 'racist' and 'bigot' are