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Re: Chrome Won

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Post by walterbell »

Spooky23 wrote: post #68
aerovistae wrote: post #4

> I started Firefox OS in 2011 because already back then I was convinced that desktops and browsers were dead. Not immediately–here we are 6 years later and both are still around–but both are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential going forward. I don't understand this perspective. Browsers are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential? What? I feel like the web dominates our lives…

You have to make wacky statements like this to pull off the "visionary" schtick. All of the hotshots were talking Post-PC world in 2011. The reality is that computers are still computers. Mobile is the new TV. I run EUC in a large diversified enterprise. We have about 0.05% pure mobile users, mostly iPad based. That is growing quickly, but probably won't exceed 3% in the next 5 years based on the current pipeline. Th…

Do end users get full Windows desktops or only access to selected apps? Assuming a 3-year amortization for $100 thin client desktop hardware, what's the annual cost per user when you include server/cloud hardware & VDI/OS software licensing? Which thin client do you recommend?

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by wodenokoto »

> We all drive cars now. Some people still use horses, and there is value to horses, but technology has moved on when it comes to transportation.

This rings untrue to me, because I cannot believe he wrote this on his smartphone. I get that desktop/laptop are no longer the main entry device to the connected world, but they are essential to the connected world in a way that horses are not important to the world of transportation.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by ehsankia »

andrepd wrote: post #64
gkoberger wrote: post #51

I agree with this blog post. But I don't think Mozilla lost. I worked for Mozilla for a few years, after seeing John Lily (CEO at the time) speak. It was right after Chrome started getting popular, and a smug person in the crowd asked him about how he felt about Chrome. John's response was awesome. "This is the web that we wanted. We exist not because we want everyone to use Firefox, but because we wanted people to h…

We cannot possibly be talking about the same Google. This is the Google of AMP et al. You think they won't do the exact same thing Microsoft did with IE when they find themselves in a similar dominant/monopolistic position in the market? You're sorely mistaken. We already find many examples of websites and Web apps that work only on chrome or the chrome "web store". This not to mention the surveillance and privacy nu…

The only sites I've seen that only work on Chrome are generally due to the developers being lazy and only targeting the top platform. It's similar to many games only being available on iOS a few years ago, or many programs only being available on Windows.

Now with the web, it's much easier to make something work across all platforms, except at the bleeding edge, which is generally where you'll find those sites. Almost all the ones I've seen were tech demos of new browser tech that wasn't available everywhere yet.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by ashark »

aerovistae wrote: post #16
fiatjaf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mobile thing is just mass distraction. Everybody says "mobile" is eating the world, but when you look at it, 99 in 100 mobile core users are stupid facebookers who don't even know what is the internet and wouldn't be using the internet at all if it wasn't for Facebook, Instagram or whatever share-your-stupid-life network they may be using.

I have secretly held this opinion for years. 4 out of 5 times that I look over someone's shoulder at their phone on the train, they're rapidly scrolling through a feed of photos, memes, and emote-filled status updates, endlessly. It scares me, to be honest. I wonder where this tendency in people will lead in the very long run, particularly when you consider the ideas suggested by companies like Neuralink. It brings B…

> It scares me, to be honest. I wonder where this tendency in people will lead in the very long run, particularly when you consider the ideas suggested by companies like Neuralink. It brings Black Mirror to mind.

15 Million Merits isn't about the future.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by drivingmenuts »

TACIXAT wrote: post #13

Funny to see this. I just downloaded Vivaldi [1] today. I still have all my work stuff in Chrome, but I'm giving Vivaldi a second shot now that a more stable version has been released. I like the idea of a browser with more features for developers (as they put it, a browser for our friends). I'm hoping it lives up to expectations. This motivated me to go even further. I'm sick of the 1999 style popups and redirects I…

I've been using Vivaldi as my daily driver for about two months or so and I'm about to switch away. I'm not impressed with the performance on any level. In fact, ATM, the only thing I like about it is the bookmark handling, which is not really all that unique.

It's a tossup for me whether I'll go back to Chrome or Safari (there's positives and negatives for both of them in my case).

YMMV.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by Turing_Machine »

buu700 wrote: post #17

In fairness to Firefox, at this point I'm just waiting for their dev tools to get as good as Chrome's before I seriously consider switching, and other efforts like Quantum certainly make the prospect even more attractive. Once they have me on desktop, I'll want to switch on mobile as well for the state syncing benefits. I wouldn't be surprised if a sizeable portion of Chrome users were in a similar boat, quietly wait…

I even develop stuff on Chrome where I'm planning for the final deployment to be to embedded web views on other platforms (e.g. embedded WebKit on Apple platforms). The dev tools are just that much better. Fixing the occasional incompatibility is more than outweighed by the superiority of the Chrome developer console.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

I think we're actually in a great spot right now. Safari is my main browser on macOS, since it doesn't cause my computer to chug as much when the tabs start to pile up. For development my primary browser is Chromium, because I prefer their dev tools. On mobile I use Firefox Mobile, since it lets me install uBlock Origin. On Linux and Windows I use Firefox, because it has the least invasive default settings out of all the big-name browsers.

I'll admit I hold a rather strong resentment towards Internet Explorer. Aside from having made me waste countless hours dealing with its quirks, I also feel a bit better supporting browsers that are more open. I haven't heard a single person in real-life saying they use Edge as their main browser.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by richdougherty »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #41
richdougherty wrote: post #15

Here are two ways that Mozilla could have a lot of impact: - If it is indeed too challenging for Firefox to compete against Chrome with a separate browser, there might be value in Mozilla maintaining an open-source fork of Chrome. This would allow Mozilla to borrow the good bits of Chrome for relatively low effort, and focus development effort on the the things that Google might not value so much (e.g privacy). It wo…

Isn't that what Chromium is? Or did you want Firefox to fork Chromium and be reliant on Google and keep pulling in all changes they pushed? As for an open source clone of Android, it already exists and it's called Replicant. Mozilla already tried the mobile OS thing and failed. Not sure why you think they would suddenly have success. It's all about ecosystems in the mobile space and Mozilla doesn't have it nor will t…

> did you want Firefox to fork Chromium and be reliant on Google and keep pulling in all changes they pushed?

I guess I was thinking that Mozilla could both contribute to the core browser (Blink?) and maintain a fork similar to Chromium, but perhaps with more independent features.

This is obviously not ideal for the ecosystem, compared to having a separate browser engine. However it could be a useful approach if Firefox has trouble getting enough users to be relevant, because at least it would mean that Mozilla is influencing the web and its development.

> an open source clone of Android, it already exists and it's called Replicant

I don't think Mozilla needs to start an independent project. They could fund, promote and improve one of the existing open source forks of Android.

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by richdougherty »

oridecon wrote: post #30
richdougherty wrote: post #15

Here are two ways that Mozilla could have a lot of impact: - If it is indeed too challenging for Firefox to compete against Chrome with a separate browser, there might be value in Mozilla maintaining an open-source fork of Chrome. This would allow Mozilla to borrow the good bits of Chrome for relatively low effort, and focus development effort on the the things that Google might not value so much (e.g privacy). It wo…

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Sandbox#Windows_2 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mortar_Project https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions

So these links are all about technology (shared libraries, APIs) from Chrome that has made it into Firefox?

Re: Chrome Won

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Post by cptskippy »

aerovistae wrote: post #4

> I started Firefox OS in 2011 because already back then I was convinced that desktops and browsers were dead. Not immediately–here we are 6 years later and both are still around–but both are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential going forward. I don't understand this perspective. Browsers are legacy technologies that are not particularly influential? What? I feel like the web dominates our lives…

I installed Chrome on my kid's laptop the other day because the web app they were using in class didn't work in Edge or Firefox.

Another time she had tried to open a link to a Word Doc and didn't realize it downloaded it. I showed her where it was in the downloads folder and she proceeded to upload it to Google Drive to open it instead of using Word.

Very few functions kids do these days require a specialist app, just a particular browser.

Her sister was complaining about having to log into Netflix and I suggested she install the App. Her response was "I don't like Apps, I prefer websites."

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