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FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#91

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

Oh please whatever your opinion might be saying """ surprised anyone can still use the word "terrorism" with a straight face anymore """ Is quickest way to shut down conversation. Especially given horrific events in France, Ohio, Florida. Your argument is not only ridiculous its counter productive to anyone offering a balanced saner approach.

The moment the T-word comes out, you can be sure it's a power grab of some kind. Just like it was "communists" in the 1950s.

I don't see any reason to compromise against a fake enemy.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#92
There is another big problem with mandatory decryption laws.

If someone want to incriminate you, they don't need to plant a file with child porn anymore: they just need to plant a file composed of random bytes and acuse you of having encrypted child porn there.

Now good luck providing the court an encryption key that does not exist.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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"The high profile court battle ultimately ended after the FBI paid a third party company to gain access to the device via an exploit in the security system." Why isn't this an acceptable solution?

It cost a lot of money, basically (AFAIK on the order of a million dollars to Celebrite). One funny outcome of the San Bernardino iPhone cracking debate was the Government double speak: To Apple ... > We only want to force you to build a custom iOS so we can get into this iPhone. To DA's across the country ... > Send us all your iPhones for ... reasons. But comedy aside, they really do care about the cost / time of u…

Due to the fact that stuff crosses state borders - manufacturers are able to import and sell only the devices and firmware that congress allows them.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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As I just put it in my open letter: "Let me be clear. This distinction that the Director makes has no basis in fact or science. Any imaginable key escrow system that would by design provide routine access to encrypted data is a backdoor that will be able to be hacked. Any such system of so called lawful intercept is an unfixable, mandated security vulnerability that will make Americans less safe both at home and abro…

I wrote a similar letter: https://medium.com/@flukes1/my-letter-to-amber-rudd-on-encry...

Excellent read. Thank you for sharing.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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> I suppose tech companies could give them a backdoor and call it a front door? They're more likely to go "LOL, no" and as it's both impossible AND compelling speech is impossible per 1st Amendment the Government would end up losing in the courts.

The compelling speech argument would not have held up in court. Apple was putting on a show because they had already advertised to customers that they wouldn't unlock phones for law enforcement.

What? Apple was not putting on a show. What the FBI requested required actual software development to be done. You can't force someone to work for you.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#96

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> From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. Wiretapping and search warrants are long standing and well support ways for law enforcement to investigate among other things organized crime. Just because you know have encryption doesn't mean that has changed. Similar to how the NSA didn't suddenly stop doing signal intel…

> Wiretapping and search warrants... True, but there is a big difference between presenting evidence to a judge to obtain a search warrant and subsequently manually wiretapping a phone line or two and the sort of massive-scale surveillance/capture we have today. It's like the difference between a doctor examining an awake patient who has complained about a specific symptom... vs to a doctor sneaking into the bedroom…

One way to fight terrorism is refusing to be terrorized.

The goal of terrorists is inflicting terror and reactions following from the terror. Terror suppresses reason, so the reactions become less reasonable and thus detrimental to the attacked side.

By this measure, terrorists have unquestionably won. The Western societies under attack suppress their core values after the attacks, such as openness, free speech, tolerance to a variety of views, and primacy of reason and right over force. Voluntarily crippling your own encryption is like voluntarily making holes in your armor, all out of fear.

It's like an auto-immune reaction that kills the patient instead of the germ.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#97

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

Oh please whatever your opinion might be saying """ surprised anyone can still use the word "terrorism" with a straight face anymore """ Is quickest way to shut down conversation. Especially given horrific events in France, Ohio, Florida. Your argument is not only ridiculous its counter productive to anyone offering a balanced saner approach.

More people die of auto erotic asphyxiation than terrorism annually (~682 people). You're insistence is what is rediculous, as parent pointed out if it was a problem--it isn't; then 0 cases have been publicly thwarted via this technique.

I don't buy in that this problem is large enough not that this solution would be acceptable if it was

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#98

From his perspective as the head of the FBI whose job it is to achieve outcomes within the law, of course Comey advocates encryption backdoors. He would likely also advocate allowing the FBI to suspend the bill of rights for any suspect during the duration of an investigation, and he'd quite likely prefer that the FBI be legally allowed to torture suspects if extreme techniques were viewed as likely to result in usef…

> Members of our government are so indoctrinated about stopping "terrorism" that they have lost all sense of perspective. Terrorism is a political word to describe political enemies of the state, yet the patriot act and surveillance machinery has been used in enforcement of many other kinds of (less serious) crime.

You are looking at the problem wrong. It has nothing to do with government indoctrination but an issue with incentives. The FBI's whole job is to investigate potentially illegal acts and as human beings they are incentivized to do their job as well as they can. When the opportunity comes up to give them more tools to do their job no one in the FBI is going to say "no I want to continue with one hand behind my back".

The exact same thing happens at companies. Companies with poorly aligned incentives will quickly see employees act against the will of the company as a whole to make sure they look and come across as best as possible, and any chance a decision comes up to help them do their job better they will fight for it, because not doing so is pretty dumb.

Well run companies work around these incentive issues by trying to get everyone aligned with checks and balances. We don't have that in the government because the people who are supposed to be doing the checks and balances (congress) have incentives to follow the FBI's requests because of the political suicide of coming out against solving crimes and defeating terrorists. It can (and will) be used against them at election time and their checks and balances (us as voters) fall for it all the time because we (as a collective whole) are short sighted and scared that something might happen and don't want to be someone who voted for someone soft on security.

The only way to realign the incentives back for societal good is to get the common voter to understand the bigger implications of issues and hold our elected officals accountable. Until that happens the incentiives are always going to be aligned for the government to gain power.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

#99
Can someone call out these alleged encryption back doors for what they are? Junk science.

If Apple and Google aren't legally able to build as secure as devices & infrastructure as possible, the DOJ, FBI, NSA, and CIA sure as hell won't be secure. Merry Christmas to Assange.

Re: FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill

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Sure, but if the populace and the political climate demanded torture from the FBI and he refused, he would be fired and replaced with someone not so principled in their opposition.

Yeah, he seems like a great example of someone who bows to the populace and political climate based on his track record...

Who, the President, who controls his employment?
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