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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by ChuckMcM »

raphlinus wrote: post #84
ChuckMcM wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there was a joke posting on an internal alias that showed the internal /etc/aliases file for Google which had the mailing list going to '|/usr/bin/no'[1] :) I would be interested to know if anyone still there had ever tried that and gotten a yes answer. The three times I used the process it was always denied. [1] To understand the meta-joke there is actually a /usr/bin/yes program but in the standard distribution the…

From Google's official opensource documentation on IARC[0]: We don’t approve every project submitted through this process, but historically we’ve been able to rapidly approve the vast majority of them. I personally have had one IARC approved and one denied (and something like a dozen opensource launches), but from what I've seen, the above statement is accurate. [0] https://opensource.google.com/docs/iarc/

Open source yes, but if it might earn you a bit of coin, then generally no.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by waqf »

dmerfield wrote: post #78
sanguy wrote: post #52

Anthony is overrated and a complete psychopath. He doesn't understand it's basic right from wrong. In his mind IP is boundless and his, not Googles. This comes from 5 years of working in fairly close contact. Zero morals. He is what's wrong with Silicon Valley - on equal grounds to Travis from Uber. I can completely see this all being planned for years just like circumventing the iPhone App Store rules. As a Google s…

Do you really think he should be in prison for intellectual property infringement ?

For nine-figure fraud? What would you propose instead?

(It's fraud when you take advantage by ignoring the established legal rules that everyone else is playing by, however suboptimal those rules are.)

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sanguy wrote: post #52

Anthony is overrated and a complete psychopath. He doesn't understand it's basic right from wrong. In his mind IP is boundless and his, not Googles. This comes from 5 years of working in fairly close contact. Zero morals. He is what's wrong with Silicon Valley - on equal grounds to Travis from Uber. I can completely see this all being planned for years just like circumventing the iPhone App Store rules. As a Google s…

> As a Google shareholder I demand they litigate until Uber and Anthony are where they deserve to be; jail.

Litigation is civil, not criminal.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by mattmanser »

dmerfield wrote: post #78
sanguy wrote: post #52

Anthony is overrated and a complete psychopath. He doesn't understand it's basic right from wrong. In his mind IP is boundless and his, not Googles. This comes from 5 years of working in fairly close contact. Zero morals. He is what's wrong with Silicon Valley - on equal grounds to Travis from Uber. I can completely see this all being planned for years just like circumventing the iPhone App Store rules. As a Google s…

Do you really think he should be in prison for intellectual property infringement ?

It's much worse in terms of $$$ compared to most muggings, why shouldn't it be a long term sentence?

This is one of the major disconnects in modern society, stealing huge sums of money by rich middle aged white guys is a minor slap on the wrists but stealing a few dollars by young, black guys is let's send them to the slammer and throw away the key.

It's so blatant and ingrained in the system that you can't even see it.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by woah »

mattmanser wrote: post #94
dmerfield wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think he should be in prison for intellectual property infringement ?

It's much worse in terms of $$$ compared to most muggings, why shouldn't it be a long term sentence? This is one of the major disconnects in modern society, stealing huge sums of money by rich middle aged white guys is a minor slap on the wrists but stealing a few dollars by young, black guys is let's send them to the slammer and throw away the key. It's so blatant and ingrained in the system that you can't even see…

The difference is the use of violence to threaten someone's life, as opposed to moving some numbers on a screen.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by kinghajj »

mattmanser wrote: post #94
dmerfield wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think he should be in prison for intellectual property infringement ?

It's much worse in terms of $$$ compared to most muggings, why shouldn't it be a long term sentence? This is one of the major disconnects in modern society, stealing huge sums of money by rich middle aged white guys is a minor slap on the wrists but stealing a few dollars by young, black guys is let's send them to the slammer and throw away the key. It's so blatant and ingrained in the system that you can't even see…

An obvious difference between IP theft and muggings, however, is that the later also entails threats of violence (and sometimes even assault & battery). That's why robbery is generally considered more heinous than burglary, where the victims are typically not present or asleep. I'd agree though that some sort of dollar figure should be attached to the psychological trauma of being mugged, so that great-enough white-collar crimes can also lead to imprisonment.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by hiddencost »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #8
kaladaraos wrote: post #3

Is there any reason not to be suspicious that Levandowski will just work on them unofficially?

Presumption of innocence. You have to assume that the people are innocent until they are proven guilty. If you fired Levandowski and win the case, then he sues. If you leave him in place and you're found guilty, there are extra damages because you were "notified" and you still didn't stop his work. So you move him off to the side, wait for the trial to resolve. And then figure out what to do with him, which will be e…

Some breath-taking Dunning-Krueger effect here.

"The situation raises questions about the future of Mr. Levandowski at the company. When Uber’s lawyer told the court that the company could not force him to testify, Judge Alsup said Uber had the right to order him to cooperate or be fired."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/technology/uber-waymo-lev...

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by [deleted] »

kinghajj wrote: post #96
mattmanser wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much worse in terms of $$$ compared to most muggings, why shouldn't it be a long term sentence? This is one of the major disconnects in modern society, stealing huge sums of money by rich middle aged white guys is a minor slap on the wrists but stealing a few dollars by young, black guys is let's send them to the slammer and throw away the key. It's so blatant and ingrained in the system that you can't even see…

An obvious difference between IP theft and muggings, however, is that the later also entails threats of violence (and sometimes even assault & battery). That's why robbery is generally considered more heinous than burglary, where the victims are typically not present or asleep. I'd agree though that some sort of dollar figure should be attached to the psychological trauma of being mugged, so that great-enough white-c…

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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by vacri »

woah wrote: post #95
mattmanser wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much worse in terms of $$$ compared to most muggings, why shouldn't it be a long term sentence? This is one of the major disconnects in modern society, stealing huge sums of money by rich middle aged white guys is a minor slap on the wrists but stealing a few dollars by young, black guys is let's send them to the slammer and throw away the key. It's so blatant and ingrained in the system that you can't even see…

The difference is the use of violence to threaten someone's life, as opposed to moving some numbers on a screen.

However, plenty of white-collar crime has physical effects. More than a few embezzled retirement funds have led to suicides, for example.

How do you tell someone that a store clerk robbed at knifepoint is much worse than having their retirement nest-egg evaporate because of someone they haven't even met? Serious white-collar crime should be pursued and punished much more than it currently is.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by andreyf »

rsp1984 wrote: post #81
sanguy wrote: post #52

Anthony is overrated and a complete psychopath. He doesn't understand it's basic right from wrong. In his mind IP is boundless and his, not Googles. This comes from 5 years of working in fairly close contact. Zero morals. He is what's wrong with Silicon Valley - on equal grounds to Travis from Uber. I can completely see this all being planned for years just like circumventing the iPhone App Store rules. As a Google s…

My impression from working at Google was that lack of respect for property is unfortunately part of Google's culture. I've met this mindset on many occasions, so this whole lawsuit, as well as the fact that Levandowski was allowed to rise high at the company, doesn't surprise me a bit. It's just that in this case it was one of their own engineers using it against them, for a change.

And when you say "property", you mean "intellectual property", right? Those are some pretty different things, you know ;-)
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