I find it shocking that someone thought it was a good idea to list a flat on airbnb that they're only renting themselves. Largely in England subletting is not allowed under the terms of rental agreements.
Yep, this is every landlord's nightmare.
Airbnb “Bribes” Host with Cash Under NDA After Partiers Destroy Apartment
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but I would rather use the Airbnb interface and Airbnb reputation system to book those spaces.
As someone who lives in a condo with Airbnb rentals, I'd rather you didn't.
Why would you be bothered in any way by someone booking a pub, meeting hall, restaurant, etc. from the airbnb website for an event?
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#93Clickbait title.
Why is this a bribe and not a settlement compensation offer? Good luck settling with your insurance company or an employer without signing an NDA and forgoing future action.
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#94Airbnb guests constantly rent my place to party. It's been a problem for years, at both of my homes. I block many of them, but can't detect them all. The other day an airbnb guest held a party, and they trashed my neighbor's balcony (below mine). They need to get partying off the platform. It's terrible for neighbors and hosts, and it's not even much revenue; the partiers usually book for one night. Regular guests on…
What kind of settings do you have for reservations? Are you doing any kind of screening of guests? Forcing guests to register their passport on Airbnb and/or asking a bit about what they do for a living tends to be a decent signal for whether or not they will trash your place.
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#95I don't understand how people could do that much damage and it would only come to $8k. Just the cleanup and repairs to the complex outside of his property should be nearly that much; losing his lease, other damages, and damage to his property should be a lot more than that.
It reads like he only submitted claims for repairs to his apartment (for whatever reason, maybe he wasn't billed for repairs/cleanup outside of it). I'd be surprised if AirBnb would cover him loosing his lease.
Maybe he had renter's insurance or something, or some other form of liability insurance? (I don't know how this works in the UK).
If I were the lessor/host, I'd demand Airbnb pay 100% and then let them go after whichever other parties they want later. The host should not be the one on the hook for any of this, including float for however long reimbursement takes.
(If I were Airbnb I'd probably sue the guest; clearly there was some level of organization if they brought in an audio system and had an event. Even if it cost them $20k in legal to go after a $10k judgment it is probably worth the precedent.)
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no settlement involved, because there is no legal claim, technically. None of the logic around legal settlements comes into play at all, so the devil's advocacy here is misguided. The NDA is outlandish and is clearly designed to shut him up and cover up the mishandling of the case. This might be different under UK law, but if he had sued you might have a point. Then I'd expect gag, non-disparagement, forefei…
I think the logic is pretty much identical. Abnb could, of course, simply refuse to pay anything. His recourse would be to the courts. The most likely outcome of that would be a settlement. The highest-dollar settlement would likely include confidentiality terms. The incentive structure Abnb is creating here is not great, though: if you know their settlement terms will include confidentiality, and you know they have…
Sure. The suit would be public though, and exactly and to your point, wise plaintiffs would be subtly trying their case in the media from day 1, because that gag and non-disparagement is undoubtedly coming. Journos live for David vs. Goliath cases like this. Tossing a contract at me after the case gets a little attention, where I didn't have to sign one for the first payment, makes me wonder what you're hiding.
I totally get the logic you're saying, that they're basically treating it as a settlement, but that maneuver is odd and tips a little of their hand that he should perhaps just go hit the courts. When I was at AT&T they were a little rough settling with someone and she ended up suing, and part of the discovery was her internal notes on the case which blew up the claim by 20x. That's mostly what I'm thinking of, because there are for sure emails that would be very interesting to discover here.
Like I said, a gag smells when there's no suit.
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#97A friend of mine is having similar issues with a neighboring apartment in their building in a more suburban neighborhood of NYC. Large parties of seemingly underage kids have been renting the apartment upstairs, throwing weekend long parties, and trashing the surrounding area (using the side of the house as a bathroom, for instance). The landlord doesn't seem to care since the unit would otherwise be empty and he can make the same rent in a weekend as he would in a month. That building doesn't seem to be the only one doing the same thing in the neighborhood.
I had never really thought of kids using AirBnb like that before, but it makes sense. When I was a teenager parties happened when people's parents went away for the weekend. Now an older kid can get a credit card, create a fake profile, rent an apartment for the weekend, charge a fee at the door, and have at it.
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#98You'd think Airbnb would be absolutely horrified of stories like this. How many hosts does this incrementally deter from using Airbnb?
Additionally, their SLAs for customer support are incredibly user-hostile, bordering on actively so. Look at how Amazon can do things better - no questions asked refunds and generally 24 hour SLAs on contact.
How can Airbnb fail so hard on realising that an internet business, such as theirs, lives and dies by customer trust...
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems as if he is only trying to get paid for his damages and not even considering the damage and disruption to his neighbors (who unlike the host are wholly blameless in this manner). I don't agree with this. Obviously, if a bystander's property was damaged, this would be true, however, the idea of being paid for a "disruption" is silly. It's called life and it's full of annoyances. I'd argue the people angling…
Hey, if some chooses to live next to a hotel then that's there choice. If a unlicensed hotel opens next to them (i.e. an airbnb rental) then they have been impinged on.
I'm not talking about hotels, I'm talking about the fact that you nor anyone else can tell the future. Your neighbor could start woodworking as a hobby, put in a pool, get a motorcycle, etc. You have no idea what may come, that's my point, and shouldn't expect compensation for inconveniences especially in the case of leasing. Your property value isn't affected, and in fact, it could lead to a decrease in your rent. For you, or whoever is disturbed, your option (as shown in the article) is to call the police. Furthermore, there are plenty of instances of zoning changes leading to hotels or other commercial operations popping up next to someone who did exactly what you suggest i/e living away from a hotel. If you (or whoever) want to be left alone and never be bothered, by a few acres of land, otherwise expect that at any point in time, you may end up being bothered.
Look, I get what you're saying and where you're coming from, and in theory, it sounds reasonable, but in practice (real life) it just doesn't happen that way.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not unusual for settlements to have conditions attached, which makes this NDA thing somewhat less outlandish than it seems at first. For instance, if you settle with an insurance company after a car accident, you may have to sign something which says "that is it", waiving your right to sue anyone for anything more. If the person is properly compensated 100%, but keeps talking, it can be argued that their materia…
There is no settlement involved, because there is no legal claim, technically. None of the logic around legal settlements comes into play at all, so the devil's advocacy here is misguided. The NDA is outlandish and is clearly designed to shut him up and cover up the mishandling of the case. This might be different under UK law, but if he had sued you might have a point. Then I'd expect gag, non-disparagement, forefei…
In England if they offer you money, and you decline it and go to court, and you win but you win less than they've offered you get stiffed for costs.