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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by Ericson2314 »

_archon_ wrote: post #66
Ericson2314 wrote: post #48

This would seem to be the best birth control for either sex. Fingers crossed it makes it to market.

I currently believe that birth control should be actively employed by all parties. I look forward to a viable male contraceptive making it to market.

Technically I beleive the only efficient systems are those where it is known a priori who employs birth control. That basically means it must be the responsibility of one sex or both. I agree with you: both sexes may be overkill but is the only fair option.

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Post by pdelbarba »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

This is the same argument that was made when the pill came about.

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Post by nommm-nommm »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #62
giarc wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but argument is likely that condoms are expensive.

Depends I suppose. They're generally free from your local doctor/clinic/sexual health charity in the UK.

Planned Parenthood has a big bowl of them in the lobby. You can walk in there and grab a handful no questions asked. (In the US)

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Post by elmigranto »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

> To divorce sex from children is to misunderstand intimacy, the family, and the entire underpinning of our society.

Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man.

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Post by nailer »

frandroid wrote: post #44
nailer wrote: post #41

I can imagine the early adopters: male actors, athletes and other men of high social value as a way to enjoy sex without the chance of unwanted offspring.

Promiscuous people should be using condoms at all times, first of all.

If your sperm is a meal ticket for life, then condoms might not be enough. And condoms decrease the pleasure of sex for many people.

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Post by dionidium »

torrent-of-ions wrote: post #32
k-mcgrady wrote: post #26

I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregnant now'. Not that this product is a bad thing, very useful for people in monogamous relationships.

I can't see how it would have a positive effect. HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. Without the risk of pregnancy one can only assume the same thing will happen in the straight community.

Keep in mind that receptive anal sex carries a risk of infection 18 times higher than that of receptive vaginal sex. Moreover, receptive vaginal sex is twice as likely to result in infection as insertive vaginal sex.

http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-ris...

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by and0 »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

A million times no to everything you just said.

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Post by _jal »

tehlike wrote: post #86
Ntrails wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

not sure why this is downvoted. It highlights something very important.

You're right, it does. It highlights the strange special status sex is given, and the awful consequences caused by that special status.

I can't think of many other situations in which (all else equal) a parent would choose to increase a child's risk of life-altering mistakes because reducing that risk would not reduce other risks as well. Don't tell Becky to brush her teeth; she might just fall down and break them out anyway.

Everyone's child is a special snowflake, but we know abstinence-only education is a failure at reducing unwanted pregnancy and STDs. What it doesn't fail at is increasing human misery by weaponizing moral choices about sex.

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Post by jbmorgado »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #75
Ntrails wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

The same could be said of female contraception, yet I don't see many people complaining about that. Why do you think that is?

Maybe because the side effects for female contraceptive pill are 99% lower than the ones for the male contraceptive "pill"?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/health/male-birth-control/

I mean, one would think that anyone with the minimum sense of logical thinking would understand that it is way easier to prevent 1 (as one, singular) single egg to get fixated in the uterus during the course of 28 days, than to prevent millions (as in > 1000000) of spermatozoids to be produced every single day.

But perhaps it's just me that actually looked at the obvious numbers...

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by dvdhnt »

duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

It's probably difficult because you don't have children and therefore lack the experience necessary to develop a comprehensive understanding of the topic.

That's not to say your partial understanding is not valid, it's just incomplete.

Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted"), but neither of my children were planned and my wife and I initially couldn't agree. From my real world experience, and not speculation, it only takes one person to "want" a child, and biology literally has nothing to do with it. I'm also not angry, sad, or pained with regret; it's impossible to generalize how individuals will respond.

All of that said, I'm all for increasing the availability and effectiveness of birth control, and hope that children make their way to an environment of love and nurturing. So, what really can't be understated is the importance of parents and guardians being emotionally equipped to respond to those responsibilities in a way that is positive to all involved.

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